Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 02, 2006, 10:53:10 pm
Seeing as I have no idea when I'll ever finish these and not wanting anyone to steal my work, you'll have to do with these half-size, color-reduced previews. Note that the red lines make up the grid that I use to align every room in the game, but unfortunately, because of inconsistencies on the part of the map programmers, some horizontal doorways don't align from one room to another (unlike Circle Of The Moon and Aria Of Sorrow).
Entrance A:
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/6162/hodentranceaha8.png
Marble Corridor A:
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4303/hodmarblecorridoragc1.png
Room Of Illusion A:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8876/hodroomofillusionauh7.png
The Wailing Way A:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/3199/hodthewailingwayakr3.png
Shrine Of The Apostates A:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/3646/hodshrineoftheapostatesazl0.png
Castle Treasury B:
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4016/hodcastletreasurybef2.png
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: DarkWolf on August 03, 2006, 07:17:57 am
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 03, 2006, 07:21:29 am
For some people like JonLeung, it means seeing promises for maps that (almost) never materialize unfortunately, though I'm really hoping to finish the many mostly-finished maps real soon.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: JonLeung on August 03, 2006, 08:58:38 am
So yes, I wouldn't gripe about the apparent lack of Treasure Master if this were to be completed.
Knowing Terra, though, that is an if, isn't it? ;P
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 03, 2006, 11:02:03 am
Considering that the only thing that usually makes me move to another project is when I just don't know how to proceed anymore (the tips on the Treasure Master maps, the incredibly fucked up layer system for Metroid Fusion, how to separate and connect the disjointed maps for Out Of This World and Heart Of The Alien, etc), Harmony might be finished sooner than you'd expect if I start working on it full time. I had already mapped (although poorly) 70% of the first castle in a few weeks last year when I first tried mapping it. So hey, why not? Harmony Of Dissonance it is!
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 07, 2006, 05:59:51 pm
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6180/hodskeletoncavebmt6.png
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 09, 2006, 06:03:44 pm
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3496/hodcastletopfloorbkb4.png
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: DarkWolf on August 09, 2006, 08:35:01 pm
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 09, 2006, 08:57:48 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 10, 2006, 10:16:56 pm
In Symphony Of The Night, when climbing the last stairway to Dracula's chamber, you can see a 3-D version of the Clock Tower in the background which turns as you climb, thus giving the whole castle a real sense of size and dimension.
Well, Harmony Of Dissonance tries to do a similar effect, but being sprite-based instead, it doesn't exactly look as good and for my map, I thought I could do better.
First, here are two shots of said tower in Harmony.
Seen from the leftmost viewpoint:
Seen from the rightmost viewpoint:
Neither of these look really good as most of the details like the clock face are hidden by the way the sprites are scaled.
Using the tile viewer in Visualboy Advance, I managed to get both faces of the tower in their entirety. However, they couldn't be used as such since that would mean that both faces would be facing the same way.
Each side is 68 pixels wide. However, if the tower was seen from a 45 degree angle (a halfway rotation between the two faces), they would both appear to be less wide. Using good old trigonometry, I calculated the cos value for a 45 degree angle which gave me something like 0.70.
In short, that meant that the faces would appear to have 70% of their real width. I thus used Irfanview to resize both faces horizontally only by making them 70% of their original size, making sure to use the 'resize only' option which wouldn't blend pixels together for a smoother but less 'pixely' look.
This was the result which was incorporated in the final map:
Neat, isn't it? And much better looking than the first two examples as seen in-game.
Oh yeah, and here's another map preview:
Luminous Cavern B:
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/214/hodluminouscavernbki7.png
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 11, 2006, 12:06:47 am
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: Grizzly on August 11, 2006, 01:30:26 am
And the clock tower on the final map does also look very nice.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 11, 2006, 10:55:23 am
A fun litle diversion ;)
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 11, 2006, 02:10:53 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: JonLeung on August 11, 2006, 03:03:29 pm
Now get back to work on the maps! *snaps whip*
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 11, 2006, 03:28:50 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: Revned on August 11, 2006, 04:20:04 pm
Post by: JonLeung on August 11, 2006, 04:20:43 pm
I hope you can find some way to put the whole map into a single image at a 1:1 scale (even if it's going to be hard for most people to even load up). It's one of the things I've always wanted on VGMaps.com.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 11, 2006, 05:27:11 pm
As for the whole map in a single image, nope, ain't happening on this computer. I tried making images a bit smaller than it and Paint somehow managed to stay open with it (although any command would make my PC freeze for minutes on end) but it never had enough memory to save it. Paint Shop Pro is even worse in terms of memory needs and processing time. I'm afraid that as I said, someone else will have to assemble the parts together for a full map.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 11, 2006, 06:54:55 pm
MS Paint: Can create the canvas in memory, but can't save the file!?
Paint Shop Pro: Can create & save the file, but won't let me paste anything into it!?
Looks like someone else will have to do it in my place.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: DarkWolf on August 11, 2006, 07:21:21 pm
Also the one machine I have only has 512 mb of ram (actually a little less since it has shared memory with the video card) and it has trouble with larger maps.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 11, 2006, 09:39:22 pm
I've made a half-size montage of all the maps so far, freely mixing maps from both Castle A & B. In passing, one cool thing about the game is that for a long time you aren't aware that there are two castles until you've visited every area. It's only then that Death reveals that there are two castles and that the teleporters you were using so far would send you from one to another, only you couldn't notice it since you were never seeing the same area. Anyway:
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8117/hodhalfsizemixedmap8bituz4.png
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 12, 2006, 07:10:25 pm
Woohoo! I finally found out how to make a clickable image on this damn board >:)
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 13, 2006, 05:05:56 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: JonLeung on August 13, 2006, 05:30:02 pm
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 19, 2006, 03:05:45 pm
I'm also calling for help here: does anyone know of some utility which can merge together different images by pasting them one after another horizontally or vertically? I'm asking because no program so far on my computer can handle a full size map of the castle. Like I said previously, I've made instead 4 vertical 'slices' which will cover the whole castle, but I have no way to paste all 4 together in the same image. I was hoping there was some kind of utility, preferably a command-line one which would use less memory that could do the job. Any help would be appreciated :)
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: Revned on August 19, 2006, 03:20:26 pm
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 19, 2006, 03:32:24 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 27, 2006, 08:40:39 pm
Only the Clock Tower A remaining, and then the equivalent of another whole castle :)
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 29, 2006, 09:05:28 pm
I did challenge myself though to try at least to map the first stage which is basically the last stage from 'Dracula X: Rondo Of Blood', thus consists of only the last stairway leading to Dracula's chamber and even that is proving hard to map.
Anyway, while climbing said stairs, you can see the infamous Clock Tower I mentionned halfway down this thread, in all it's 3D goodness.
Well actually, after managing to extract the textures used by it, it's a pretty shitty 3D model. So I tried my best to render it in 2D sprite style like I did with the tower from Harmony, only using real textures this time. It was a bitch since I had no real tools to distort the textures into triangles and stuff like that, so it looks a little weird. Of course, part of that is due to the fact that the textures are mseed up to being with (for example, the clock face texture which should be a square is really a thin rectangle, which I had to enlarge and thus it doesn't look really good). Still, I'm pretty proud of it considering how lacking my spriting skills are.
Symphony Of The Night - 3D Clock Tower (seen from 2 different angles), captured in-game:
Symphony Of The Night - 2D Clock Tower, assembled by hand by modifying/distorting the textures manually in MS Paint:
And *no*, I will not do a rotating version of that nightmarish construction (it took me 2 hours to make the full sprite) :P
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: DarkWolf on August 29, 2006, 09:17:18 pm
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 29, 2006, 09:30:16 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 30, 2006, 10:47:03 am
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: Revned on August 30, 2006, 01:27:15 pm
Post by: Edsword on August 30, 2006, 01:47:12 pm
Sadly, I haven't worked on the SotN maps in a long, long time (over 2 years by the looks of it). Everything I did is in the directory at
http://www.edsword.com/SOTN/
Sorry for the www's on the images - this was during my sensitive time after Andrew Mills completely ripped off my MZM maps. I know I have clean copies somewhere . . .
I got frustrated with the project because of 2 things: 1) no layer management in ePSXe (yes, Terra - that's what I used) and 2) the rooms just didn't line up. I felt like the full map would be virtually impossible.
Sorry to go off topic, but over the years I have also made but not released:
95% complete Minish Cap overworld map
95% complete Oracle of Ages/Seasons maps (they
had been done I think but these were dear to me)
Several unfinished Lego Star Wars (GBA) maps. Those were actually kinda fun due to the amount of original pixel work wileee and I were doing (but this is also why they were never finished).
There's others I'm sure. I'm digging Revned's idea that we tackle SotN as a group. I'm not sure how much progress I'd make personally, but I'd certainly donate what I have. I believe that's probably the only way it would ever reach completion.
Post by: Revned on August 30, 2006, 01:50:29 pm
The more I think about it, the better my SotN idea sounds. I'm going to make another topic so we don't fill this one up too much.
Post by: Edsword on August 30, 2006, 01:55:38 pm
Quick other note to Terra - my memory might be playing tricks on me - the only other emu I used for SotN was AdriPSX - and I know ONE of them was dumping screens so maybe it was that rather than ePSXe?
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 30, 2006, 02:12:42 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 04, 2006, 10:49:27 pm
I also took the liberty of correcting a few aesthetic mistakes, that is places where the wrong tiles were obviously used and which were very easy to correct. Side by side, you can see the original location with the defects circled in red on the left, and the corrected location on the right.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 04, 2006, 11:24:20 pm
For some reasons, a half-size image was too big, even when compressed to fit under ImageShack's file size limit, so I made a quarter-size image and saved it as a JPG to further reduce it. This is only so that people can get a good idea of how the castles will look when properly assembled.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: JonLeung on September 05, 2006, 08:46:58 am
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 05, 2006, 09:35:18 am
I've also done calculations, and a full-size map of the entire castle would be 15104 x 7936 pixels in size! Which is, unfortunately, much too big for my computer to handle with only 512 MB of memory. I guess a full map will have to be done by someone else once I'm finished with this.
That's what I mentionned earlier, and I don't plan on making it one pixel bigger than absolutely needed.
Also, after extensively discussing the issue with Revned on AIM, I've given more thought to the possibility of filling all the empty spaces on the map. The horizontal gaps will be easy for the most part, merely requiring extending outgoing corridors by 8 pixels. It's the vertical gaps which worry me. Most of them are 48 pixels in height, and a few might be even taller considering that to align some corridors I'd have to move some portions of the map thus creating in some places gaps 96 pixels high. Creating vertical connections like that would require adding platforms which don't exist just so that people don't get the idea that the passages are too long for the player to move up and own through them.
I'll try posting a few attempts soon to get the discussion rolling.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on October 01, 2006, 12:44:10 pm
Here's a "proof-of-concept" map showing how both castle maps will look once I'm finished mapping the game. Since the map is over 6 MB in size, I've had to use Megaupload for the link: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=W5WL4XGQ
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on October 01, 2006, 10:31:27 pm
Clock Tower B:
And yeah, I know all these previews are reduced in size and low-quality, but I'm a bit paranoid and really don't want my work stolen considering the GBA Castlevanias are high profile games ;)
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: mephea on October 02, 2006, 06:04:05 am
Post by: TerraEsperZ on October 04, 2006, 09:15:22 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: JonLeung on October 07, 2006, 04:36:00 pm
It looks great. Really not much else I can say to help. I'm sure that when you correct everything that you can find, and have the two separate castles fully complete, everyone will absolutely love them.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on October 08, 2006, 08:37:22 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on October 10, 2006, 03:25:30 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on October 22, 2006, 09:45:06 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: Grizzly on October 23, 2006, 10:16:06 am
Post by: TerraEsperZ on November 07, 2006, 07:16:23 pm
Castle Treasury A:
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: TerraEsperZ on April 20, 2007, 11:14:45 am
Zeric recently emailed me that he's finished mapping the whole game, and just as I promised in my initial post, I'll let him have the honor of submitting the maps to the site since he not only started before me (thereby making a bit of a thief for "stealing" the project away from him) but most importantly, he finished his - unlike me. Hopefully that will earn him a "Map Of The Month" award by virtue of pretty much being the first pixel-perfect map of an entire Castleroid game. Good job Zeric, and I'm looking foward to seeing the result!
Incidently, I'll most likely finish this sometimes this year, but will only post here if I want opinions or criticisms, as I don't want to invite comparison between my work and Zeric's.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: JonLeung on April 24, 2007, 07:02:23 pm
I didn't even honour a Castlevania game for Hallowe'en last year, but even if I did, I really should have these games up for other months too, besides just October. Trying to tie in something to the month thematically would just take too long to recognize all the Castlevania maps...the first two games were honoured but so should most of the series, including maps of Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse, Bloodlines, Dracula X, Symphony Of The Night (when that's done), Harmony Of Dissonance...and the Game Boy games, too. Heck, that's a great deal of the series already. It's not hard to honour them all eventually, but it's tricky to do it while they're still relevant (ie. not too old and the creators are still hanging around) but I can't have them every other month, either.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on April 24, 2007, 08:01:56 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: JonLeung on April 28, 2007, 10:17:36 am
Yeah, I thought it was worthy of a large news post. And I mentioned the other fully-mapped Castlevania games, too.
Now I'll get back to bugging Revned and others about Symphony Of The Night, though Revned in particular has been really inactive lately. Must be exams.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on April 28, 2007, 07:17:48 pm
I wonder if I should try and continue Circle Of The Moon once Sonic CD is finished. They looked really good and very different from these since the game was done by a different team at Konami. I do remember how nightmarish removing the parallax backgrounds was though, unlike "Harmony Of Dissonance" and "Aria Of Sorrow".
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: RT 55J on April 28, 2007, 09:28:40 pm
I'm curious as to how this compares with other Metroid-style games in terms of map squares.
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Dot? Dot. Dot!
Post by: JonLeung on April 29, 2007, 07:29:51 am
I reuploaded Castle A and as we speak Castle B is being reuploaded, but most likely I think the .PNGs are too large in filesize for some browsers/computers to handle.
The EarthBound Zero map is viewable for more people, probably because the filesize is only about a third of a castle, despite having a larger image area.
Post by: DarkWolf on April 29, 2007, 08:09:28 am
Post by: JonLeung on April 29, 2007, 08:51:56 am
I guess things like that are what led me to believe that .PNGs of repeated patterns are much smaller. The EB0 map has many identical trees. The smaller (but only in image area!) Harmony of Dissonance maps are much more complex and varied, which is why they're so much larger. Am I right in that reasoning? (Maybe I'll make a ginormous .PNG of only solid black or white and see how large it is in filesize, compared to a small non-repeating image of a larger palette.)
I love them, but it'd be a shame if, for whatever reason, they can't be viewed by everyone who wants to.
I wonder how much of a bandwidth-killer these will still be though...whoa.
Post by: DarkWolf on April 29, 2007, 09:40:51 am
But remember, you can't compress a file and expect the computer to understand that file later without reversing the process. To reverse the process you need memory to temporarily hold the uncompressed data.
So on hard disk the file is smaller, but when you view it, it needs to be loaded into memory, and the space it takes in memory may be as big as the raw data that makes up the file.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on April 30, 2007, 09:06:49 pm
...Or at least that's what I understand. DarkWolf can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by: JonLeung on April 30, 2007, 09:35:59 pm
Of course, maybe if I wasn't primarily using an extremely outdated version of Paint Shop Pro, I wouldn't need to worry about colours screwing up when I choose the palette colour bitdepth or whatever...I should probably take more time to learn The GIMP and PhotoShop so I can avoid such unnecessary pitfalls.
I'm pretty sure my outdated Paint Shop Pro would have trouble loading those massive .PNGs.