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Title: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 22, 2006, 05:24:12 PM
Transformers Movie script review @ LatinoReview.com

Not sure what to think.  If this guy truly is a Transformers fan, then there is some hope if he's all excited about it.  It's got an "A+: A Complete Miracle" rating, which is...pretty high.



Soundwave is only four and a half feet tall?  o_0


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 22, 2006, 06:01:14 PM
So, can we post links yet? *hopeful*



Anyway, I'm suspicious of anyone who fully praises or fully flames a script without providing any significant details.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 22, 2006, 06:40:49 PM
There are plenty of details there...almost too much, if you want the first ten minutes of the film spoiled, assuming any possible final revisions don't change it drastically.



If you want a second opinion you can see here @ The Movie Reporter.  Definitely a different opinion on it.



They might change Soundwave to "Soundbyte".  I guess that works, since he's smaller and all.  I can understand his size being because they wanted to keep him as a boombox after all but without major mass-shifting, but then it looks odd compared to other Decepticons...so having an action scene with him on Air Force One makes sense.  By having him on a plane, a smaller, confined space, with an action scene probably all to himself (it's unlikely any other Transformers will fit inside the plane, after all), he wouldn't be compared to them and we'd forget that he's small...except that he'll probably be fighting humans, but ah well.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 23, 2006, 08:12:59 AM
* WARNING, SPOILERS ABOUND! *



I'm really disappointed in both reviews actually. The first one seemed to shower praises like it was the second coming of Jesus, and the second is basically saying "it's flawed because it's nothing like G1".



Of course, having followed the development on Transformers message boards for the last few months, I've known for a while that it will be G1-inspired at most. I think we can expect some familiar names and a few alt-modes, but that's it. The rest is yet another new TF universe, in the same way that Armada/Energon/Cybertron were, except this time it will be live-action.



Sure, some parts have me worried a bit (Camaro Bumblebee communicating through music on his radio, Starscream allegedly looking like a gorilla with wings, Soundwave/byte/whatever being decapitated by a girl, the TF searching for the "Energn Cube" instead of the more appropriate and better-sounding Matrix) but ultimately it won't diminish by enjoyment of previous comics, shows and toys. If anything, I'm looking foward to an entirely new take on the TF mythos in terms of designs and concepts (like Transtech might have been after Beast Machines with alien-looking technorganic vehicles and other futuristic goodness).



And please, *please* re-establish the ability to post pics at the very least, because there are tons of TF goodness I want to share with you guys!



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on May 23, 2006, 09:49:55 AM
I want to see what you have to show!



I've seen some neat stuff, too. Like the alternators Optimus. Haven't seen him in stores yet, but it looks interesting. And then there's the remake of Unicron, as Prime (is that right?), the embodiment of Cybertron.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 23, 2006, 11:42:10 AM
bustin, I think you're thinking of Primus.  Yeah, I guess these planetoid Transformers are kind of cool, if you can ignore the issue of scale.  Kind of like how Metroplex/Trypticon/Fortress Maximus/Scorponok were above-average-sized, but they don't really serve as "cities".  More like a few parking spots for the smaller Transformers.



Speaking of Scorponok, I noticed that he sounds like a Minicon or a "X"-master.  In that review it's mentioned that he seems to come out of Vortex.  I can understand the reusage of his name since he's a scorpion.  (Kinda funny, going from large Decepticon city (at the end of G1 cartoon), also one-time Decepticon leader (G1 comics, I believe), to an average-sized grunt (in early Beast Wars) and now this little guy.)  What I don't get is what "Scorponok" means.  "Scorp" is from scorpion, obviously, but "onok"?  Am I missing something here?



Popular name, that.  If there were going to be any animal-based Transformers I think fan favourite Grimlock would've been a better fit.  I'm sure there are robotic T-Rexes that are deliberately metallic-looking at some monster truck shows or something which could explain his form.  Kinda lame, but if they're really going to show how their forms are chosen, which I believe the reviews do say they do, I wonder why a Decepticon in the form of a scorpion?



I think it'd be easier to swallow "Soundbyte", particularly if he truly does get killed off.  With the possibility of sequels, they might still be able to introduce a proper Soundwave that is somehow like the G1 character - or else have an explanation for mass-shifting, a better way to ignore his different size, or a different alt-form that works for him, like his most recent jet form.



Heck, I heard Megatron might be a jet too, a la Generation 2 (the original toy, I believe, not the green/purple tank that came later).



If it is truly wall-to-wall action, then maybe we won't care too much when they start trashing downtown LA or whatever.  Characters like Soundwave and Megatron didn't fight in their alt-forms on the original show (unless you count Megatron transforming into a gun for Starscream to use, and we know that's not happening), so perhaps the fight sequences might actually be more exciting if Soundwave is human-sized and that Megatron has a more viable alt-form.  Though I still say he should be a tank, though...


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 23, 2006, 11:55:56 AM
Actually bustin98, you're thinking of Primus, the creator of the Transformers and cosmic rival of Unicron in the old G1 comic and pretty much in every recent TF continuity. He's also portrayed by Hasbro at least, as being the God of Light for the entire multiverse, with Unicron being his opposite   as the God of Chaos for the same.



As for new stuff, since links are better than nothing...



-First, the upcoming Masterpiece Starscream which will come out in Japan this year, with no word on whether Hasbro will bring it over here. I've heard it will be about 32 cm long as a realistic F-15 aircraft and 22 cm high as a robot. Pre-orders are about 99$ (US).



Masterpiece Starscream prototype:

http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc16&image=64071_1148361356903.jpg



-Next, we have design sketches for the upcoming Classic Optimus Prime (they are really close to the only pic of the prototype found, which was a badly scanned fax copy of a retailer sollicitation). It will be part of Hasbro's  upcoming Classic line which will be sold between Cybertron and the movie line, and will feature updated toys of classic G1 characters.



Classic Optimus Prime:

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4908/classicoptimusprimerobotmode5b.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3066/primedlxtruck0ci9qb.jpg



I'll try to find links to the Astrotrain prototype pics later.



-The upcoming Titanium line will consist of diecast statues of TFs. The forgettable 3" line will consist of ugly, badly sculpted/molded/painted characters who all look like they are constipated (I'm not kidding) but the oh-so-sweet 6" will consists of transforming statues with great-looking sculpts and colors!



The first four characters are War Within Optimus Prime and World War II Cobra-controlled Megatron (Wave 1), and War Within Thundercracker and War Within Jetfire (Wave 2).



The War Within characters are from the now-defunct  Dreamwave comics and represent the TFs before they came to Earth. Optimus Prime is dead-on to his comic counterpart, Jetfire a simplified version of his and Thundercracker is really deformed for some reason. Megatron is a new design since the gun-mode he was forced to adopt by Cobra Commander in Dreamwave's GIJoe vs Transformers during World War II was a realistic gun of the era, which is a big no-no these days. That's why Don Figueroa, a regular TF comic artist and the guy who designed all the above War Within characters in the comic (plus the Classic Optimus Prime), was asked to design a new Megatron for that era. He's confirmed on the net that he's supposed to be a tricked-out Maus tank, slowly bidding his time until he can take revenge on Cobra Commander.



War Within Optimus Prime:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8945/titaniumoptimusprimerobotmode5.jpg

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6735/titaniumoptimusprimevehiclemod.jpg



World War II Cobra Megatron:

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/5084/titaniummegatronrobotmode7lb.jpg

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/8196/titaniummegatronvehiclemode2kg.jpg



War Within Jetfire:

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/1139/titaniumjetfirebothmode6bf.jpg



War Within Thundercracked:

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/379/titaniumthundercrackerbothmode.jpg



...I think that's enough for now.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on May 23, 2006, 12:09:55 PM
Jetfire looks sweet, Thundercracker looks bulky. I'm not impressed with the Optimus and Megatron. I take it Optimus and Megatron are the 3" figures?

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on May 23, 2006, 12:10:26 PM
Oh, thanks for posting all that, by the way. :D

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 23, 2006, 12:57:19 PM
Nope, they are all part of the 6" line. Maybe you don't like the designs (I'm actually looking foward to Prime and Megatron the most), but they are technically well done I think. Let me find a pictures of some of the early 3" ones and tell me what you think...



Starscream:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/out/large/HAS11913.jpg

Alternator Sideswipe:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/out/large/HAS11912.jpg

War Within Optimus Prime:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/out/large/HAS11911.jpg

Beast Wars Megatron:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/out/large/HAS11910.jpg

Unicron:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/out/large/HAS11914.jpg



-In addition, I finally found the bad faxed pics for both Classic Optimus Prime and Megatron. Prime is pretty much like the earlier sketch, and Megatron turns into a futuristic gun, although it's difficult to make out any detail.



http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8784/classicprime1kg.jpg

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6320/classicmegatron1ch.jpg



-Also, Don Figueroa, who was responsible for many Classic designs it seems, is drawing the upcoming Stormbringer comic for IDW which stars Jetfire. The fact that the design looks really toy-like has lead many fans to speculate that Don used the same design for both. In that spirit, the following cover is a strong possibility of what Classic Jetfire will look like:



http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/4043/stormbringercover1lc.jpg



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on May 23, 2006, 01:08:21 PM
Maybe its because you can see more detail on Optimus and Megatron, I don't like that dark accent paint. Looking closer at the jets it seems they have it too. But the scultping job doesn't seem as clean as it could be.



The Stormbringer looks cool. I wouldn't mind having a Jetfire that looked that way.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 23, 2006, 01:15:21 PM
bustin98 Said:
Maybe its because you can see more detail on Optimus and Megatron, I don't like that dark accent paint. Looking closer at the jets it seems they have it too. But the scultping job doesn't seem as clean as it could be.



The Stormbringer looks cool. I wouldn't mind having a Jetfire that looked that way.

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Well, since all the Titanium figures are diecast metal, the details will inevitably look softer than if they were made of plastic, though I think they look worlds better than the 3" ones. I've seen pics of later waves, and they do improve, but you still can't get much details out of 3" tall metal statues.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 23, 2006, 01:25:56 PM
I didn't make it clear, but there *is* a Classic Jetfire coming up, most likely designed by Don. That's why I posted the comic cover he drew.



By the way, Don is an amazing guy, and he always designs TF in his comics so that they can transform. It's not wonder Hasbro are having him do concept sketches for new toys.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 23, 2006, 04:37:30 PM
Is the "Figueroa" character in the Transformers movie likely named after him?


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 23, 2006, 04:43:08 PM
Maybe, though I can't be sure. I could be a common family name for all I know. I doubt it's an hommage, since few people know about him outside of modern TF comic reader or people who visit either The Allspark or The 2005 message boards. Maybe someone involved in the script heard about him casually and thought it was a neat family name to use....



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 23, 2006, 05:26:13 PM
The scriptwriters (or at least a couple of them) are big Transformers fans so I thought it might be the case...just looking for confirmation, I guess...


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 25, 2006, 06:06:17 AM
There's finally a more objective review of the script online at the following link:



http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-live-action-movie-2007-script-review.php



And frankly, this is about exactly what I was expecting from a live-action movie. Not entirely what I would *prefer* had I control of the project, but I'm not disappointed by a real re-imagining like this.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 25, 2006, 06:14:51 AM
Oh yeah, I should mention at this point that all I'm really looking foward to in regards to the movie are the new transformation designs and the movie toys.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 25, 2006, 11:46:59 AM
You would think Soundwave would be the one with a war injury that would prevent him from talking, if anyone has to.  Not Bumblebee.



Soundwave is more musically inclined anyway, he shouldn't have a mouth like they say he will (and his face plate could be part of that "war wound"), and his cheesy robotic voice might seem ridiculous by today's standards.  So if anyone has to be a mute-except-through-music, it should be Soundwave.



I guess the whole Bumblebee-not-speaking-except-through-his-radio thing is part of the whole human perspective of discovering the Transformers, and confirms that Bumblebee will be among Sam/"Spike"'s closest friends, but I think there could be a better way around it.  Supposedly Bumblebee changes forms later, according to the review you linked to, hopefully to a properly speaking Volkswagon Beetle!  But maybe something so simple is still asking for too much.



More dialogue for the Decepticons, please.  Starscream with only two lines?  That's only slightly better than Darth Maul, for crying out loud.  I can understand how they'd bother with a few non-conversational Transformers but Starscream was always a major part of several storylines and continuities.  Maybe we don't want to explore his whole desire to be Decepticon leader thing in the first movie, but he could at least have a bit of back-and-forth banter with Megatron, or ANYONE, for that matter.  Two lines.  Sheesh.  If Starscream doesn't say much and most Decepticons don't say much at all, they could easily add a couple more Decepticons by palette-swapping the model for Starscream to create Thundercracker and Skywarp.  Cheap, yes, but in my mind, preferable to the current Decepticon line-up.  The action probably involves their alt-forms to a great degree, though, so grounding most of the Decepticons makes things more fair.  Oh, except Megatron is a jet too.  *sigh*



I'm sure they wouldn't've gone for a live-action shot-by-shot recreation of "More Than Meets The Eye" (the first three episodes of the G1 cartoon) for a number of reasons but I think they could've kept things more true to the show (or other established continuities like the comics, even), especially the Decepticons.



RANT RANT WHINE WHINE, right?



(Judging by what people are able to come up with these days, someone may get around to making their own Transformers live-action fan film one day, I'm sure.)


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on May 25, 2006, 02:00:51 PM
I'm thinking one possible reason behind Bumblebee not staying true to form (literally) could be rights. VW probably wanted too much control or kickback. This is a perfect vehicle for automakers to display some newer stuff, and automakers are probably combing the film with a fine tooth.



And I'll add the whine about Megatron being a jet. But, whatever. As long as its got action. Because it won't have the story.



You know, there's a point when you just stop calling it Transformers and start calling it Giant Fighting Transforming Robots. (I think that's why people get so defensive about stuff changing. If its going to change then you might as well call it something else. Like the original Punisher movie.)

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 25, 2006, 02:47:42 PM
Yeah, but people would call it Transformers anyway.  (Not that I don't agree, though.)



It's like the Garfield movie.  Nothing like Garfield.  But if you had "Orange Cat Movie" people would wonder why it wasn't called Garfield.



I heard there's a Hong Kong-made Street Fighter II movie.  When they couldn't secure the proper rights they finished the film anyway, but with different names for the characters.  I should find that movie, sounds like one of those infamous things like the Star Wars Holiday Special.  It'd probably be better than the Hollywood-made Street Fighter movie, not that that would be very hard.  That movie too could've been "Lotsa Fighting Movie With Lotsa Characters".


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 25, 2006, 05:04:45 PM
Apparantly, Volkswagen wants nothing to do with anything war related, which is why Bumblebee never had an Alternator made, despite a complete working design existing for him (shown in a japanese book about the Binaltech line). Like many German institution, they seek to distance themselves from anything that could bring back the memories of World War II (some NES games like Contra were completely censored because of Germany; that's why for example Contra in Europe is known as Probotector and all humanoids have been changed to robots).



As for alt-modes, the Dreamworks apparently has a deal with GM so expect many of their vehicles being used. And as for Megatron, a jet could be cool; Energon Megatron looked great as a gunship in addition to being a cool G1 Galvatron hommage.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 25, 2006, 05:29:52 PM
Oh man, I've just seen painted pictures for some upcoming Classic Transformers who were leaked from the Transformers Club's website to the net. Well, I'm excited about them, though I expect that most here won't be.



Anyway JonLeung, if you want to give me the ability to post pics and links, *now* would be the best time, since I'd really like to make this a visual post you know ;)



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 31, 2006, 03:49:39 PM
Some pictures of vehicles used in the movie have been leaked to the net! On the following two links, you can find pictures of 'Brawl' the Decepticon police car with cool decals and insigna, a huge tank which looks slightly futuristic (probably the 'Devastator' from the script), and what will most likely be the banged-up run-down Bumblebee and his shiny new body!



http://www.tfw2005.com/pictures-from-the-transformers-movie-set.htm

http://www.pagenstecher.de/showtopic.php?threadid=136456&pagenum=1#2550049



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 31, 2006, 04:39:12 PM
User posted image

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I like how the Decepticon logo is there, but at the same time, "to punish and enslave" (which I assume is supposed to be a take on something like "to protect and serve" seems a little odd, cheesy even.



User posted image

And Bonecrusher actually has a decal that says "Bonecrusher"...huh.  Well, then again, I think some Transformers decide on new names after getting a new form, but correct me if I'm wrong - but that could be a reason.  Now while I still lament that Bumblebee isn't true to form, at least being yellow with black stripes makes his name make some sense.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 08, 2006, 08:19:24 PM
The movie site is up!



That eye, which could be Megatron's, looks really scary and cool.



http://www.transformersmovie.com/



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on June 08, 2006, 08:35:05 PM
Man, it didn't take long for those pics to be taken off the web. Too bad I missed them. But I did sign up for updates on the TF site.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 27, 2006, 05:10:39 PM
A picture of the Bumblebee animatronic (although obviously missing parts) have leaked on the Internet and I wanted to share this with you guys, to rejoice those who are looking foward to it and piss off those who are somehow enraged at the *obvious* violation of their beloved childhood!



SPOILER SPACE



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There seems to be a consensus among fans that he's lying on his back but beyond that, it's hard to make out much. Incidently, I really like the new style and I'm really looking foward to this movie!



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on June 27, 2006, 07:59:52 PM
I wonder if there will be skinning process during post production. He's looking kinda 'plasticy' right now. And not very solid. Seems to be too much open space in his arms. Though you did say that the designs were going to be off from what we'd think they'd be.



Thanks for sharing :)

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on June 27, 2006, 08:15:59 PM
I heard that Bumblebee is the only one they fully built, but most of the time, like the other Transformers in robot mode, he'll be CGI.



I don't think he looks that plasticy...but that's just me.  It could be the lighting, but I don't see how they wouldn't be able to afford making it out of the same parts as a Camaro.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 27, 2006, 08:53:52 PM
I think he just looks brand new, which would make sense since he does get rebuilt as a brand new Camaro during the movie. And all that open space I expected, if only since they seemed to be going for the skeletal robot look as well as allowing to make them much bigger as robot from all the unfolding and panels shifting around.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on June 28, 2006, 06:35:46 AM
Michael Bay Said:

That is our non shootable - just scale reference - totally undetailed robot. It's like shooting a plastic toy compaired to the total c-g model from ILM.


Totally undetailed?  Wow, the full CG model must be really something.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on June 28, 2006, 07:25:16 AM
See, I thought something was missing :p



I figure there's no way that contraption could even move how it would need to move to be realistic. Though it could be useful for closeups, like Jurassic Park had dino heads for close ups.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 29, 2006, 02:52:53 PM
Since the teaser was leaked to the net early, Dreamworks decided to put it up on the movie's website in advance. Take a look:



http://www.transformersmovie.com/



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on June 29, 2006, 08:05:45 PM
Thanks for the link, Terra.  It sure took a while to load, though.



I'd already read about the teaser trailer a day or two ago.  While it looks better than I imagined it would after reading about it, it's still not what I would've done for a teaser.  Ah, well.  Unless I had a concrete idea and was involved in the thing, I guess it wouldn't matter.



It's a step closer to reality.  Well, not really, but it's the first official thing they could show of it that most people will probably see with Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest next week.  The buzz begins.  Then when we get a full trailer...and the real hype...then the movie...wow.  Then it'll come out on DVD sooner than it should, we'll watch it again, and then be bored of it all again.  *sigh*  But then if there are sequels...  *hopes*  That would depend on the first movie being good, of course.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 29, 2006, 08:32:10 PM
I just hope the real trailers will actually concentrate more on their ability to transform, since so far it's the only thing that separates them from the standard evil aliens of the week.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on July 05, 2006, 11:18:31 AM
Is there any place to find the first batch of photos again?  I can't believe all that I saved were those three close-ups above which really don't show anything about the vehicles themselves.  >_<


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: StarFighters76 on July 07, 2006, 06:03:39 PM
I honestly do not know what to think of this movie. I mean, from what I gathered, it's gonna focus alot on the humans. If that's the case, it'll be a real disappointment, because if I'm gonna see a movie about transforming robots fighting, I wanna see transforming robots fighting, not a bunch of humans trying to develop a relationship with each other.



Another disappointment, lack of Transformers, mostly Autobots. That makes no sense really.



I'm gonna see this movie nonetheless, because I love Transformers as a kid, and still do. But what I'm worried about, will this movie top the original one? I'm kinda hoping it doesn't, because how can you top the first movie?



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on July 11, 2006, 09:09:13 PM
Here's a picture of what is probably Optimus Prime's vehicle mode as was posed on Ain't It Cool News.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on July 12, 2006, 06:42:23 AM
You know I'm going to say WTF at that.



Though he is still a truck.  And he has at least some red, at least at the front.



Well, I won't say I downright hate it...at least not until I see the robot form.  Well, it might work after all...compared to some of the other changes, this really isn't too bad.  See, I'm warming up to it already, kinda.



I'm guessing they're not going with the "magically disappearing trailer".  Heh.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on July 20, 2006, 07:57:24 PM
I hear there are images of his robot form now, though maybe it's a smaller model, as I thought Bumbleebee was the only full-sized robot model they were going to build.



According to TFW2005.com, supposedly he "appears to be similiar to G2 Laser Prime and has similiar visual features to G1 Optimus Prime".


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on July 20, 2006, 09:35:31 PM
There are enough attention-seekers in the fandom that I wouldn't trust anything about inside sources until a picture makes it to the web.



Everytime a new line was about to come out, some fans have claimed inside sources which more often than not, were either proven completely false or were vague enough to fit just about anything.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on July 22, 2006, 07:11:53 AM
Apparently it's been confirmed that Peter Cullen, the voice of G1 cartoon's Optimus Prime, has been confirmed to do the voice of Optimus Prime in the movie.



Frank Welker, the voice of the G1 cartoon's Megatron, has apparently auditioned and is being considered.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on July 22, 2006, 10:03:35 AM
While I'm not bothered with having Cullen (though not overjoyed either since I'm not that attached to his voice), I seriously don't want Welker to reprise his old Megatron voice. I always thought he sounded stupid with his raspy "lifetime smoker" voice and felt it had no presence. Now, Leonard Nimoy as Galvatron, *that* is the voice I've always given Megatron in my head.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on July 22, 2006, 10:42:07 AM
Welker gives Megatron a much more menacing tone. No one else has done the same. All other wannabe's laugh too much. What kind of evil leader laughs? Not that the original didn't laugh, but it was no cheesey laugh, for sure.



And the voices will lend to bringing in audiences that have not seen TF since they were young. Hearing familiar voices is sure to bring back memories.



But reports from Comi-con indicate that Peter is in the running, but nothing concrete so far, unless there have been updates to the reports??

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: StarFighters76 on July 23, 2006, 01:01:50 PM
JonLeung Said:
Apparently it's been confirmed that Peter Cullen, the voice of G1 cartoon's Optimus Prime, has been confirmed to do the voice of Optimus Prime in the movie.



Frank Welker, the voice of the G1 cartoon's Megatron, has apparently auditioned and is being considered.

Now THAT is the best news I've heard yet.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on July 24, 2006, 06:57:06 PM
Here are the teaser posters...which look almost exactly as I had imagined (and that everyone would've expected)...

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on July 24, 2006, 07:29:04 PM
I like how they slightly altered the Decepticon insigna so that it looks like it has tiny evil eyes instead of nostrils.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 06, 2006, 06:16:15 PM
New picture of Optimus Prime's truck mode, what is most likely Ratchet's alt-mode and possibly some part of Optimus' robot mode:



Optimus Prime:

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Ratchet?:

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One of Optimus' leg part?:

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on August 15, 2006, 07:04:44 PM
The TFW2005.com boards are freaking out about these POSSIBLE movie renders of Optimus.

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If these are real, I guess it's a good start.  Lots of exposed parts as it is, though.  I guess they want to get a lot of height and overall size out of them so they may look like that all over, like Bumblebee is.



Nothing meets Optimus's eyes...'cause those are blocked off for some reason.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 17, 2006, 11:16:50 AM
Apparently, Paramount has confirmed these renders to be authentic.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on August 17, 2006, 05:23:06 PM
Yeah, I read that too. That's cool.



Also: tomorrow, the writers (I think) are going to reveal the finalized names of the Transformers that will appear in the movie.  So we'll see if Soundwave became Soundbyte or Frenzy or whatever.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 18, 2006, 02:40:34 PM
Here's Bumblebee in his robot mode:



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I'm really happy with this, but I know a lot of G1 fans are going to cringe their teeth!



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on August 18, 2006, 04:38:25 PM
Since it's the Internet, I give TerraEsperZ the benefit of the doubt...but in any other case, that comes out as rather arrogant, I would think.



"I'm a Transformers fan, but I'm way too cool to be a G1 fan."  Like there's something wrong with G1 fans.  :/



Is there a better pic?  At the moment, I can't really make out his face.  And that's what concerns me most, as a lowly G1 fan.



Oh, here's more pics:



Autobots Bumblebee, Ironhide, Optimus Prime, and Ratchet.  Jazz not pictured.

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Optimus again.

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A frozen Decepticon (assumed to be Megatron) with no torso.

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Also, earlier today, according to TFW2005.com, in the chat with the writers, the finalized names of the Transformers are revealed:



Autobots:

Optimus Prime

Bumbleebee

Ironhide

Jazz

Ratchet



Decepticons:

Megatron

Starscream

Barricade

Blackout

Bonecrusher

Brawl

Frenzy

Scorponok



They sure do like their B-named Decepticons.  The cop car formerly thought to be Brawl is now Barricade, and Soundwave is now Frenzy.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 18, 2006, 08:13:42 PM
JonLeung, I always thought you understood that I was kidding when talking about "G1 fans" and "fans who refuse any changes in a property centered around change". Sure, I *am* a bit sad for those fans who absolutely refuse any changes, even when those change turn out to be good (like when Beast Wars first came out), and I like to poke a little fun at them here because I thought you guys knew my sense of humor. Besides, I do consider myself a G1 fan too, just not necessarily a fan of the 80s cartoon or comic as such. In short, sorry if I offended anyone. I *do* reserve the right to make fun of those people who were condemning the movie before any design or script were even revealed or any fan who exhibit unreasonable judgement out of excessive nostalgia AKA "rose-tinted glasses" syndrome. Just trust me on what I'd judge to be unreasonable; I think I've shown myself to be a fair and reasonable guy on the board on the years I've been here.



I also only posted one picture because I ran out of time. I'm on vacation right now and have little time to spend on the net. So thanks for revealing the names before I could see them on a TF board, and hopefully any bad feelings or intentions have been cleared.



And personally, I'm really happy since the robot designs are quite reminiscent of the cancelled "Transtech" series which was supposed to follow Beast Machines and would have sported more alien designs like Bumblebee here, so I'm kinda biaised in my appreciation.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on August 18, 2006, 08:19:45 PM
My reaction is 'WTH'? But looking at BumbleBee, there is no telling how it even transforms. So I'm thinking that there's a level of CGI going on top of those models before the film is done.



I'm holding off on making judgements until I see something more than that teaser thats out.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on August 19, 2006, 07:32:41 AM
Ah, shoot.  I wrote a fairly lengthy post but my computer froze up and it was all lost.



Nothing much new was said, though.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 19, 2006, 01:22:19 PM
If Bumblebee's robot mode here is final, and it could be considering that he does sport pieces of his Camaro exterior on his body like the car front which splits up to form his chest and some car parts which an earlier picture showed that they form yellow pieces with a black stripe on his arms. The transformation will undoubtedly be quite complicated and the movie toys will likely 'cheat' said transformation a lot.



One thing I am hoping is that all the characters sport different styles. So far, Optimus' arm and head seem a lot closer to his classic look than Bumblebee's, and that frozen Decepticon looks unlike either of them, appearing very organic and rounded all over. Definitely a 'Transtech' vibe coming from him.



Whatever happens, I'm convinced this new look won't catch on too much with the fans and it won't be adopted in the long term for future toy lines, unlike say, the X-Men movie costumes whose black, leatherly style made their way in the comics for several years.



And JonLeung, if you don't mind the extra work, I'd still like to know what that lost post was about.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 19, 2006, 01:57:09 PM
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Blackout movie design:

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Blackout toy prototype:

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Optimus Prime movie design:

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Scorponok toy prototype:

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Starscream toy prototype:

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on August 19, 2006, 08:39:46 PM
I think that if they fixed Starscream's head (again, I don't see why a G1 form or a variant couldn't work, after all, he is an iconic Transformer much like Optimus and he got to keep his head, mostly) and gave him actual hands (he could still have those big guns but they shouldn't replace his hands), then it would be easier for them to get away with that.  At least I think those are guns - those better not be long fingers!  Eeew.  They'd at least better keep the palette, with lots of red!



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Actually, now that I look at it again, G1 Starscream actually did have quite a face - two eyes, a mouth, and even a nose.  Too human, perhaps.  Maybe his face wouldn't work.  But hopefully there's something better than what's on the toy prototype that can be done before finalizing such details for the movie.



What I'm starting to notice that's bugging me is actually quite the opposite of the head - the "toes"!  I suppose big feet with big toes makes it more realistic in terms of balancing huge masses on only two legs, but man, they're distracting.  Probably not as noticeable once they're in action, though.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 19, 2006, 08:56:37 PM
It seems the producers really intended for the Autobots to be closer to humans in look, while the Decepticons are more alien in faces and bodies. I *am* surprised Hasbro managed to translate the movie designs to toys so well for what we've seen so far. Needless to say, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are already 'must-buys'.



Starscream here seems to have claws for fingers between those guns but it's really the head I don't like: it doesn't look good at all, even in an alien way. The body in general isn't bad, and I actually like the more animalistic legs as they remind me of Gargoyles, one of my favourite shows.



I do regret that the Decepticon so far have so alien faces, but it reinforces my prediction that most Decepticons in the movie are going to be faceless cannon fodder.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on August 22, 2006, 07:53:17 PM
The fact that there are more Decepticons sounds to me like they could kill off more Decepticons and leave enough on both sides for sequels that they believe they'll be able to make.



My bet is that most if not all of the Autobots will survive, but of the Decepticons, Megatron and Starscream are most likely to survive.  The others, not so likely, though there probably will be one or two others that will.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on August 23, 2006, 05:13:32 PM
Brian Goldner, Hasbro COO Said:
Please let the people on the board know that any grey models they have seen are VERY early forms of toys and will be revised and changed, and will gain tremendous detail as they move toward finished products...



thanks and regards,



Brian Goldner



Thank goodness.  If he's referring to Starscream he may yet get a makeover.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 24, 2006, 11:48:44 AM
I'm unable to post anything right now, but new design concepts for Megatron have surfaced on www.tfw2005.com, and it looks quite... "alien". Definitely the worst design so far, because it's completely removed from anything that was ever done in terms of TF. It looks alien and evil, but that's it. Hopefully JonLeung can post the pictures here.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on August 24, 2006, 02:44:48 PM
I just went and looked. I thought Megatron was going to be a tank? Now it seems he totally avoids whatever mechanism is in place that changes the robots into earth type vehicles. I haven't read the script so I don't know and don't want to know.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on August 24, 2006, 06:39:23 PM
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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: StarFighters76 on August 28, 2006, 10:34:55 PM
JonLeung said:
Also, earlier today, according to TFW2005.com, in the chat with the writers, the finalized names of the Transformers are revealed:



Autobots:

Optimus Prime

Bumbleebee

Ironhide

Jazz

Ratchet



Decepticons:

Megatron

Starscream

Barricade

Blackout

Bonecrusher

Brawl

Frenzy

Scorponok



Why are there less Autobots than Decepticons. Sounds rather unfair to have a total of 13 Transformers.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 29, 2006, 05:11:39 PM
I guess that makes for more cannon fodder among the bad guys :)



By the way, here's Bumblebee's face at last, and it, er, kinda blows, in a cute kind of way. Alright, I don't know *how* I feel about it...



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on August 29, 2006, 07:22:38 PM
StarFighters76 said:
Why are there less Autobots than Decepticons. Sounds rather unfair to have a total of 13 Transformers.
I'm guessing since there are more Decepticons, and among them some not-big-names, they can afford to kill off more Decepticons than Autobots (if any) and still have enough on both sides for the sequels that they say they want to make.



I think I said that before.  I probably also said I fully expect Megatron and Starscream to be among the Decepticon survivors.



EDIT: I found this from a chat transcript:



Q: Why so few Autobots versus Decepticons?



A: Wanted to put Autobots at distinct disadvantage. Makes action sequence better. They Autobots have to use unity, friendship, etc. to help defeat them.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 29, 2006, 09:43:11 PM
Apparently, they're also planning to do justice to Megatron's and Starscream's tumultuous relationship. Screamer is said to be both loyal and scheming for himself. Interesting.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 01, 2006, 02:14:40 PM
Final design for Optimus Prime, taken from a poster at a trade show:







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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 01, 2006, 05:04:11 PM
As someone already said on the TFW2005.com forums, his gun looks like a mass of silver plumbing, similar to the MiB guns...


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 05, 2006, 07:29:52 PM
Allow me to beat Terra to the punch...



Again, taken from TFW2005.com...

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I love some of the responses in the thread.  Like: "He looks depressed."  Followed by: "Wouldn't you be?"



Even if they widened his face a little it would be a major improvement.  Is there some reason that it has to be so skinny?


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 05, 2006, 08:26:36 PM
The concensus right now on TF forums is that this is a cleaner picture of an earlier concept design. You'll notice that it differs in the details from the blurry picture two posts previous which is assumed to be pretty much final seeing as it was seen on a poster at a trading show. Still, we can assume the final design to be quite similar to this.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 06, 2006, 08:40:18 AM
Maybe.  It's hard to make out the eyes on that poster.  Now we need a clear image of the supposedly final version.



Do you get the feeling that we're almost seeing TOO MUCH now?  By the time the movie comes out there won't be much in the way of surprises.



Sometimes I wonder if these "leaks" are deliberate to gauge fans' reactions so that they can make some changes that will appeal to them.  We've seen more of Optimus and Megatron and Bumblebee than other characters, for instance, and those are fan favourites.  I expect we may see more of Starscream soon.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2006, 05:31:41 PM
Can't get enough?  How about his weapon?


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 08, 2006, 06:58:52 PM
Or how about this interview with Shia LaBeouf?


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 08, 2006, 07:30:23 PM
Or new pictures of a set mock-up that show several Transformers' robot modes?



Scroll down to the user comments where a user named Skowl has labeled who the Transformers are assumed to be at this point.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 10, 2006, 05:15:51 PM
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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 10, 2006, 06:30:27 PM
Cool, I hadn't seen that one yet.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on September 11, 2006, 09:46:58 AM
I just had a thought. I remember when Godzilla was making waves, and then it was released and everyone was like 'ewww' because it was 'Americanized'. How come they didn't learn their lesson? I say that while thoroughly enjoying the Godzilla movie. I think I'll enjoy this movie, but I really think there will be a backlash due to the changes of the designs.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 11, 2006, 11:30:39 AM
There already is a backlash, I'd say - there's likely a bunch of hardcore Transformers fans that refuse to see the movie because of the choices and changes that have already been revealed.  Some people have been totally leery since they heard Michael Bay was directing, even before seeing a thing.  It's hard if not impossible to please everyone.



As a Transformers fan, I may have to see this film, even if it is a blasphemy of sorts (much like how I'd like to play the CD-i Zelda games even though many Zelda fans would rather pretend they didn't exist).



It's an action film, anyway, and we haven't seen many movies recently, if any or if ever, with about a dozen giant transforming robots duking it out.



So while I'm hyped as a Tranformers fan, part of me also says, look, it's not likely to be like a live action version of "More Than Meets The Eye" (the three-part origin story of the G1 cartoon Transformers) so just sit back and enjoy a movie about giant transforming robots.



Well, I hope I'll enjoy it.  And if not, well, I'm sure that I've seen worse movies, and I'm sure it's not going to affect the Transformers toyline too negatively or for very long, and I'll still enjoy Transformers for what they are/were and how I remember them, and I'm sure life will continue on.



Anyway, I don't mind Bumblebee so much, it's really Megatron and Starscream that I wonder what they were thinking when they designed them.  If you saw the picture of the set mock-ups with the little cardboard placeholder things, you might have seen Jazz, who actually doesn't look too bad - at least from what we can tell so far.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 25, 2006, 09:52:14 AM
Stylized drawings of Jazz, presumably either for the toy's packaging or for the comic of the movie adaptation:



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Remember that this design is probably heavily stylized, and the actual movie design will no doubt be closer to Bumblebee or Optimus Prime.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 26, 2006, 09:09:43 PM
Jazz actually looks good.  Well, if his CG form for the movie comes close to that, that is.  They should've revealed his design first.  Or allowed it to be leaked first.  Whatever.



I thought there was a Mazda promotion involving Jazz (for some reason I think it's separate from Alternators/Binaltech) so you'd think he would've been some kind of Mazda in the movie.  Huh.



Zoom-zoom?


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on October 11, 2006, 12:28:10 PM
New action figures are out at Walmart. Starscream, Rodimus, BumbleBee, and Astrotrain.



While BumbleBee is an improvement, the others still look like cheap plastic. That little bit of metal of old really makes a difference. And Astrotrain looks a bit 'off', but ok. Starscream does not transform the way he used to, but looks very similar in both modes. I was never a Rodimus Prime / Hot Rod fan so I don't really know how he compares, other than he looks more like Hot Rod than Rodimus Prime.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on October 11, 2006, 12:43:25 PM
Are we talking about Classics or Titanium or what?



I don't really like how there are more Transformers toylines than shows.  I'm not saying the TV shows should define everything, but all the simultaneous toylines is still confusing regardless, especially if there's a figure of someone in some or all of them.  Universe, Classics, Alternators, Titanium...then there's Armada/Cybertron/Energon/whichever show is on now.  And the movie will have a toyline too.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on October 11, 2006, 02:39:05 PM
Classics, I guess. I don't remember if there was a tagline to the series. There is a 'flip' card on the front of the box that reveals the robot mode.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on October 11, 2006, 02:45:57 PM
I'm just hoping the 2008 series, tentatively named "Heroes", will bring back the quality of Beast Wars/Machines, since it will be the first cartoon after them to be written in America. I couldn't stomach any of the recent 4 cartoons (Robots In Disguise, Armada, Energon and Cybertron) because of the crappy Japanese direction.



As for the various lines, I think it's pretty easy to sort them out when explained properly:



-Main toy lines:



-Armada, which was followed by...

-Energon, which was itself followed by...

-Cybertron, which will in turn be kinda replaced by...

-Classic, which is kind of a filler line, intended to last until the movie comes out and only 2 or 3 waves of releases are planned.

-Universe (which has been over for a long while) was also a filler line running in parallele with the main lines, and consisted exclusively of repaints to meet the increasing demand for toys that wasn't satisfied by the main lines.



-Collectors toy lines:



-Alternators consists of realistic/licensed car modes updates of classic G1 characters with lots of articulation

-Heroes Of Cybertron is made up of cheap and miniature transforming figures from the Cybertron line

-Titanium offers transforming die-cast statues of popular characters, including some exclusive to comics and cartoons



It's also most likely that the movie line will be the main line for 2007, with "Heroes" being the main line for 2008.



I hope that made things a big clearer. It should also be noted that there never was this many Transformers products offered at the same time, which is hopefully indicative of the overall health of the franchise ;)



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on October 11, 2006, 03:07:36 PM
Doesn't the Japanese also have a Masterpiece line, seeking to make definitive versions of G1 characters that look proper in both robot and vehicle modes?  Now that is cool (though in my opinion makes Classics seem redundant).



I think there are only four toys in the series so far, but really only two true ones...Optimus Prime and Starscream, and they look really cool in both of their modes.  The other two are just a trailerless Optimus and a white one recolour that's supposed to be trailerless and armorless Ultra Magnus, if I recall correctly.  Heck, they'll probably repaint Starscream to add Thundercracker and Skywarp (and maybe Sunstorm).



Isn't the Optimus (with shorter stacks and no trailer) being rereleased as the 20th Anniversary DVD Optimus here in North America?  And is that it for the Masterpiece line here then, or will he be sold as part of another already-existing North American line?



I swear, Optimus probably has more forms than there are Tranformers series.  Even if he didn't have three in Beast Wars.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on October 11, 2006, 04:31:14 PM
I didn't want to include Japanese-exclusive lines, because then I'd be forced to mention Kiss Players *shudders*



-Masterpiece: Just like JonLeung said; it started by making the definitive G1 Convoy (Optimus Prime) which is really like an ultimate version of the cartoon version; they then repainted it in white to make an armorless Ultra Magnus.



Starscream was given to the main Macross designer to do and he made it his toy: the F-15 mode is as accurate as technically possible, but the robot mode suffers a bit from it and from some design decisions, like giving him an overall grey/green color scheme and only some bits in pinkish red and blue, or having the leg kibble hang from his tights like "samurai swords" as he said, which incidently gives him really slender legs (too slender in my opinion).



And finally, they'll try and squeeze yet more money out of the first mold by reissuing Convoy yet again but with a real transforming trailer this time.



-Kiss Players: This line so far basically consists of a few Alternator repaints/remolds package with figurines of young females partners in suggestive poses. I'm not kidding! Supposedly, when they kiss their partners, they grant news forms and powers to their partners. ...And the time-in manga features a half-organic Megatron look-alike who literally eats these little girls using a huge drooling penis-shaped tongue...



Oh and technically, Optimus Primal in Beast Wars is a totally different character from Optimus Prime, at least for the three incarnations you're talking about. That's because the very first Primal toy, which turned into a bat, was at first intended to be Prime in a new form (along with Megatron as an aligator), but the cartoon writers did their own things afterward.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on October 11, 2006, 05:03:32 PM
Masterpiece Starscream's robot mode is still infinitely better than the original G1 toy design, though.  I've considered getting it.



And it's certainly better than movie Starscream.  :P  Though in a recent interview a producer said robot designs aren't final.  I suppose Bumblebee's the one they most had to worry about since they had him actually built (though even so I imagine they could and will still have CG tweaks) but since the other guys are almost entirely CG it should be easy enough to make changes and so they really should change Starscream.  I'm still insisting on it.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on October 21, 2006, 11:15:58 AM
Man, at the very least I'm going to love the toys! Here you have advance copies of the upcoming 'Protoform Optimus Prime' and 'Protoform Starscream' toys, in their pre-Earth bodies:



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on October 21, 2006, 11:25:33 AM
Those are the movie toys?  Showing their protoforms?  Starscream might not be so bad, if his Earth form will be changed to something closer to that.



I'd heard there wasn't going to be the Ark but you know that I think it seems kind of weird that they transform into lumpy metal meteor things.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on October 21, 2006, 01:16:02 PM
For more pictures of the actual toys, just visit http://www.actoys.net/bbs/read.php?tid=138274&fpage=&toread=&page=1



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on November 09, 2006, 12:42:24 PM
According to an email from Amazon I should be receiving the DVD(s) of the (animated) Transformers movie (20th Anniversary Special Edition) today.



There's a short preview of the live-action movie within the megaload of extras.  I hear it's extremely brief, and nothing at this point is necessarily final anyway.



Supposedly the teaser trailer we saw earlier was really just an "announcement trailer" and we'll see a real teaser soon.  (Still not a full trailer?  And when did preview clips become defined in so many ways?)  Soon as in, sometime this November.  It would've been nice if that was included on the DVDs of the (animated) movie, since they're both released in the same month anyway!


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on November 09, 2006, 02:03:26 PM
You know, those figures really look like ass as they are. Not much color variation and the construction looks cheap. I think I've expressed that before.



But I think there is a silver lining. I noticed that these toys have an 'entry' mode, not a vehicle mode. Hasbro is going to milk the movie for all its worth. I bet it won't be long before we see other figures that have a 'vehicle' mode.



And the animated movie was at Walmart for $15. Not a bad price at all. I think I paid $20 when the first dvd came out.



I want to get it, but I blew that chance with my early Christmas gift of Gears of War.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on November 09, 2006, 09:29:03 PM
Those are 'Preview' figures anyway; they might be toy exclusives made by Hasbro to generate interest in the movie line (I doubt those re-entry mode will be seen for more than a few seconds, and not clearly at that).



For the moment, a nice wallpaper with concept designs for Bumblebee which, although not final, are probably quite close to the final result:



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on November 10, 2006, 07:36:16 AM
I expect that's close, if only because we've seen the actual prop a few times before.  The others, being almost entirely CGI, will more easily be revised from what we've seen.



Once getting over the "he's not a VW bug" thing, it's actually a good design.  He's striped like a bee, and actually seems bee-ish.  (I almost wonder if the original Bumblebee should've been called Scarab or something...I mean, he was a "beetle" with horns, and his repaint buddy Cliffjumper had Pharaoh-like headgear if I remember correctly...)



Nice to see the whole thing, but I guess by now the whole criticism-of-robot-designs ship has sailed, come back, and sailed off again.  Now where's the trailer?


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on December 02, 2006, 02:35:14 PM
It's been a while since anything really new has been seen from the movie, but Ratchet's final robot design has just been leaked:



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on December 02, 2006, 02:35:22 PM
It's been a while since anything really new has been seen from the movie, but Ratchet's final robot design has just been leaked:



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I must say I really like it. Sure, it's nothing like the white ambulance with a warm, smiling face we knew from the comic/cartoon, but I like his face. It's closer to existing TF faces with a faceplate and while it doesn't look all that human, it doesn't look completely alien and/or insectoid like the various Decepticon designs.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on December 02, 2006, 04:50:24 PM
I was going to say, I distinctly remember hearing that a teaser trailer (apparently the first video we saw was just an announcement teaser trailer) was supposed to come out in November.  Sure, it's not a full trailer, but apparently we're supposed to see a transformation, and then we'll see if it looks and sounds cool.  It's December already.  Maybe it's a little late.  Soon, I hope.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on December 04, 2006, 10:00:59 AM
New CGI renders (most likely final models or close to)...



Optimus Prime

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Bumblebee

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I'll I can say is I'm really primed for this movie :)



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on December 04, 2006, 06:23:01 PM
Cool pics, Terra.  I don't think we've really seen Prime in any other pose yet though.



Apparently the teaser trailer (that I thought was supposed to be out in November) will be out the weekend of December 22nd; basically a Christmas present to us geeks.  That'll be exciting!


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on December 04, 2006, 07:12:26 PM
I'm really starting to like Bumblebee's face. Let's hope it stays like on those pictures.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on December 06, 2006, 11:25:14 AM
210 days left!  That's 30 weeks or 7 months!



Also, if you read half a post each day in this topic, starting today, by the time you get to this sentence, it'll be time to see the movie.  :D


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on December 06, 2006, 03:56:39 PM
Man, this is a good week for leaks! Not only did we get to see several toy prototypes (which sadly don't do the movie designs enough justice), now we also get our first view of Barricade aka Evil Cop Car ("To Punish And Enslave"):



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on December 06, 2006, 05:53:00 PM
Though the quote is still ludicrous, I actually think Barricade looks really cool, now that I'm used to the whole "exposed parts" look.



I don't even mind the face which has a similar look as what we've seen as Megatron's supposed head.  Though I still think that Megatron - being Megatron, after all - needs a better look, especially the face.  Maybe they scrapped the designs for his face but ended up using it here for Barricade?  Or at least elements of it.  I wouldn't want Barricade and Megatron to look the same.  Another argument against Megatron's supposed face and also another reason why it hopefully won't be so.



I think I'll replace my old Wii desktop wallpaper with this shot of Barricade.  As always, thanks for sharing, Terra.



EDIT: I think another reason why I may be more accepting of Barricade's look is that until just now when I looked in Wikipedia, I wasn't aware of how the original G1 Barricade looked like.  He (or if you like, a Transformer with the same name) was a 1990 Micromaster race car toy who only appeared in the Dreamwave Comics' Micromaster series.  So he doesn't have the history (or fan-expectation baggage, if you prefer) that many of the other characters do.  No expectations = no disappointment in his design.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on December 20, 2006, 07:55:46 AM
No posting in almost two weeks?  :O



Approximately three hours until the full teaser debuts on Yahoo! here.



Stupid thing is I'll probably try to catch it ASAP except I'm at work so I'll see it but not have sound.  I'm fairly certain they won't have the same cartoony transforming sound but I'm sure I'll be curious if they did sneak it in there, or what transforming actually sounds like in the movie.  Or if they have part of the classic theme in there.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on December 20, 2006, 11:16:08 AM
Gah!  Turns out I can't watch streaming video at work, and I don't have QuickTime on this computer.  Or speakers.  >_<



I don't suppose someone can post a link to a downloadable .wmv or something?  Or I could wait six hours 'til I get home.  >_<



EDIT: I managed to get a peek here at the European site.  Looks cool, but it's not the same without the sound.  >_<  Should've had less shots of the humans.  >_>


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on December 20, 2006, 08:11:19 PM
Saw it after work, and it's about what I was expecting for a Michael Bay movie. That said, the Transformers themselves move and transform pretty much as I expected them to, and I can't wait until  it comes out!



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on December 20, 2006, 09:26:32 PM
Now that I've seen it with sound, I'm kinda thinking the trailer really should've had better music for the typical movie trailer montage sequence.  >_<  It was more exciting when I couldn't hear it and expected more.



The movie seems more "real" now, at least.  I'll be at the theatre in July.  I was going to be there anyway, though.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on December 21, 2006, 07:51:23 AM
Well, it's technically a teaser trailer, and since some of the CGI looks really unfinished, I'd assume the musical score is too. It does wet my appetite for the real trailer which will most likely come out in May or June.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on January 09, 2007, 07:49:40 PM
Well a lot of things have been seen and/or revealed about the movie in the past few months though it was difficult to decide exactly what to post here, since most of it consisted of toy prototypes. Anyway, a couple of new pictures:



Autobot Bumblebee, CGI Render on Cover of Kids Book:

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Seriously, I'm liking the little yellow guy more and more :)



Autobot Optimus Prime, CGI Render on Cover of Magazine:

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Even though it's really dark, it looks a lot like the previous designs, only with better proportions I think.



Decepticon Barricade, Concept Design:

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I already posted a larger view of the upper body, but this is the first image of how Barricade is expected to look as a whole.



Decepticon Barricade, CGI Render on Cover of Kids Book:

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And he can even extend long pointy blades from his tires!



Decepticon Megatron, CGI Render (supposedly, though it doesn't look like it to me):

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And here he is in all his, er, badassitude? Seriously, the design isn't bad per say, but it just feels terribly unsatisfying. The dinky little fingers certainly don't help, and the lack of any obvious weapons and colors to help define his various shapes more really hurts. I do like the head though; it evokes the feeling of a screaming alien creatures just before it lunges at you to rip you to shreds, or at least the toothy grin does.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on January 09, 2007, 07:57:33 PM
As has been said by someone on the TFW2005.com forums, Megatron's design is not a bad design, it's just not a good design for Megatron specifically.



I think the Autobots Vs. Decepticons "I Can Read" book looks a little scary.  Not only with "big" words like "Autobots" and "Decepticons" or the abbreviated "Versus", but Barricade about to claw someone on the cover is not something I would buy for my kids.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on February 03, 2007, 08:45:53 PM
Well, it's 151 days until the movie, so here's some more stuff blatantly taken from TFW2005.



Starscream:

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Ironhide:

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I think both of these characters could've had some more red like their G1 counterparts.  Ironhide could easily be red even in truck mode, and Starscream could at least have a little red, you know, like the parts that would be hidden when he's in jet mode.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on February 03, 2007, 10:41:33 PM
Two more designs have just been posted.



Frenzy:

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Bonecrusher:

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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on February 04, 2007, 07:49:27 AM
Wow, Frenzy is a robot chicken?  With General Grievous's four arms and shoots CDs?



Strangely, I'm not as surprised as I might be...



Well, I guess he's skinny because he's some kind of music-playing device, which likely isn't that large.  Not sure why they decided to go with the chicken-head.  If this really was going to be Soundwave, man-oh-man would there be way too much fan backlash.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on February 09, 2007, 01:34:42 PM
Two more finalized CGI renders:



Frenzy:

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Megatron's Head:

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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on February 09, 2007, 03:26:55 PM
As I said, good designs, just not good Transformer designs.  Ah, well, I'm getting tired of bitching about how they look.



I'm having difficulty imagining how large (or rather, small) Frenzy is supposed to be.  If he's a CD player like the current word is saying he is, without any mass shifting, he would be small.  I remember hearing how he would be 4 and a half feet tall, so like a very short person (or a little over two Fortress Maximus toys tall :P) but with all those parts, I'm having trouble imagining such smallness.



TFW2005.com has a size comparison with Ironhide standing next to a human, I'd like to see how Frenzy compares.



EDIT: Ah, here's the Ironhide pic I mentioned.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on March 13, 2007, 06:25:31 PM
It's been a while since anything new has been posted, so here's a size comparison picture for the vehicle modes of the Autobots and a couple of Decepticons.



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No wonder they tried their best to make Prime grow  and Starscream shrink while transforming into robot modes....



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on March 13, 2007, 09:28:29 PM
Well, as far as this goes, that is kind of a neat pic.  The Decepticons seem kinda small now, actually.  Starscream, even.



Then again I rarely see comparison pictures between cars and jets anyway.  And I guess jets aren't any bigger than they have to be...okay, I'm rambling.



Great pic!  Thanks for sharing.



EDIT: Hmmm, Jazz is smaller than Bumblebee.  Didn't see that coming.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on March 13, 2007, 09:57:06 PM
I too was surprised to see how small the F-22 really is. As for Jazz, I should try to find that picture of him with his face and eyes. As far as the movie designs go, it's great but his eyes are still creepy.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on March 14, 2007, 09:05:38 PM
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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on March 24, 2007, 05:06:25 PM
According to this message found on the secret Sector 7 website...





Operation Hungry Dragon 2 continues. As of today agent H. Weaving has officially convinced S.S., M.B., R.D and A.K. to oversee the Megaman issue. The recording will commence immediately.



All the years of investment into Agent Weavings public persona have finally paid off. We will monitor the campaign from the inside and report on its progress free from suspicion.



By this summer, the population will think N.B.E.'s are nothing more then figments of an overactive imagination.



Our power lies in our secrecy.





...Megatron's voice actor is going to be Hugo freaking Weaving!!! I was so hoping they wouldn't go with Frank Welker's raspy voice which might have worked for G1 Megatron (though I would have prefered Leonard Nimoy's Galvatron voice instead) but wouldn't have worked at all for this new, nightmarish Megatron :)



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on March 26, 2007, 11:17:25 AM
I noticed some age in Cullen's voice as well.



I would've liked Welker doing Megatron's voice again, but I'm not so much of a fanboy that this choice upsets me that much.  I already have enough other issues if I want to go all fanboy-freaky.  And this isn't G1 Megatron anyway.  And though the various Megatrons have all sounded similar, I think Hugo Weaving can pull off a close enough voice, or some voice that will fit this radically different Megatron.  I'd probably be more interested in what he says (like his lines towards Optimus, Starscream, etc. and personality) that how he says it.



Despite Hugo Weaving's presence in two major film trilogies recently (The Matrix, The Lord Of The Rings) as well as V for Vendetta (okay, we never see his face, but still), I'm not sure if he's an A-list star.  I wonder if his name, or any name (other than Spielberg and Bay), will be used to sell the film.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on March 26, 2007, 09:23:33 PM
For comparison, you can hear a new (well, a few months old) clip of Welker's G1 Megatron voice and it too shows some age. The clip is right at the beginning of the following page



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on March 30, 2007, 05:04:50 PM
There's a new TV spot that shows Bumblebee's and Starscream's transformations.



Just go to Sector Seven, enter "FWIFFO", and double-click on the icon in the upper-left corner.



Notice the yellow VW bug in the car lot?



Or you can see the TV spot called "Hidden" here.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on April 13, 2007, 06:11:38 PM

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on April 13, 2007, 06:37:17 PM
Ah, screw you! You only post once in a week and it's to post scoops about the Transformers movie less than an hour before *I* can do it ;)



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on April 13, 2007, 08:13:55 PM
(I would post more than once a week if things weren't so hectic.  This week has been especially bad.  I've almost never done overtime, ever, and every day this week I have AND I'm coming in tomorrow, Saturday.  >_<  And just after my raise, I'm afraid they think I'm milking the clock...



Anyways, bleah, I'm not going to go off topic now (there's more to say about my busyness that ought to be said, but not in this topic).)



What do you think of Optimus?  His voice IS different.  The fish-lips don't help.  He better keep his faceplate on!  As he very well should anyway.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on April 13, 2007, 09:06:00 PM
My opinion on the movie is this: it's not G1, and as such I want it to surprise me, to be *new*. I prefer this new voice as it makes Prime sound older, wiser and more battle-weary. As for the lips, they're not too bad; they certainly look better now than they did on this concept sketch:

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on April 20, 2007, 12:24:24 PM
Finally, I've got a scoop (i.e. I post something exclusive before JonLeung!), namely this final render of Optimus Prime's robot mode:



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on April 20, 2007, 05:18:28 PM
You bum!  I was going to post that!  >:(



Fine,  I'll post a higher-res version, then!  >:)



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 04, 2007, 09:57:19 AM
You've been slacking off JonLeung! I have another exclusive...



Optimus Prime's face with the faceplate removed, to the horrors of geewuners everywhere >:)



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B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 04, 2007, 04:43:24 PM
I saw that yesterday, didn't think it was worth a post, though.  :P



At the time, no one in the TFW2005 topic mentioned that Optimus looks like a Sentinel from X-Men.  Blegh.



By the way, I finished reading "Ghosts of Yesterday", the prequel novel.  It wasn't that great.  I may have a review later.  Hopefully it's not too indicative of what the movie will be like.  What is it now, 61 days left?


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 04, 2007, 08:19:03 PM
That looks 100x better than the early sketch I posted earlier at least. Plus, I've never been a G1-only fan, so I don't care if the big P has a real face with lips under his faceplate. In fact, I like it, as it gives him something unique to differentiate him from all the other Primes, Primals and Convoys.



As for "Ghosts Of Yesterday", well it's a movie tie-in novel, what were you expecting really ;) ? Those things are usually written by people not familiar with the franchise *and* are done in record time to manage to stay up-to-date with the script while still arriving on the shelves a few months before it comes out in theater. I know I have no interest in it whatsoever.



The prequel comic, while not great, is much more interesting. True, it doesn't have a self-contained story like that novel, but it puts things and peoples in place for the movie proper.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 04, 2007, 09:30:03 PM
I haven't read the prequel comics, but the novel makes reference to some things that I have heard are in the comics, so it takes place in between.



The comics do sound more interesting.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 05, 2007, 10:12:47 AM
Don't expect perfect continuity from what I've heard. Both were based on the movie script but written separately, so some things like date and who knows about what might not consistent.



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B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 10, 2007, 04:48:47 PM
Super high resolution images of eight of the Tranformers are here on Michael Bay's blog site:

http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/files/d58812e5a390e8b3a44162285e4ae054-74.html



These are scaled down to fit these forums if you're too lazy to click:

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 10, 2007, 05:00:17 PM
I saved those a few hours ago, but was too lazy to post them here :)



That being said, I like Megatron more with every new picture of him. He looks like some kind of giant, bony, dinosaur-like robot. Not all the designs look good in static pose, being so busy, but I expect them to look fantastic once they are actually moving.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 13, 2007, 04:45:14 PM
I just realized that for the longest time, we're the only ones in this topic...


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 13, 2007, 05:25:22 PM
I long ago accepted the fact that the Social Board just isn't that active anymore, especially in specialized threads like this one.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 13, 2007, 06:11:13 PM
"Specialized"?  >_<



Anyway, old news to you too, probably, but supposedly towards the end of this week there will be two new trailers for the Transformers film.  Considering how close we are now (a little over fifty days, I think), they'll probably show a lot more.



One of the two trailers is going to be attached to DreamWorks' other big picture this year, Shrek the Third.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 17, 2007, 11:10:53 AM
The new trailer is out!



http://movies.yahoo.com/summer-movies/Transformers/1808716430/trailers/31/180



I can't view it at work, though.  Streaming video is blocked!  Any alternate sites?  Workarounds?  Screen captures, at least?



EDIT: I saw it at work by finding the direct-download version on the sixth page or so of the TFW2005.com topic about this.



AWE! SOME!


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 17, 2007, 02:22:04 PM
Yeah, I understand the reaction, I saw it myself during my break at work :D



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 17, 2007, 08:45:28 PM
I didn't see Frenzy or Brawl in this trailer.  Come to think of it, we haven't seen Brawl in any trailer, the recent high-res images don't show Brawl at all, and the novel makes mention of everyone except for Brawl.



Maybe Brawl's been cut out?


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 17, 2007, 09:01:30 PM
I doubt it seeing as they made a full-scale prop of his tank mode. He's probably the least developed character though which is why all the preview material seem to omit him. I assume the same might be true of Ratchet as well, which hasn't been seen in quite a while and only in ambulance mode too.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 17, 2007, 09:27:07 PM
Apparently Ratchet is seen in the latest trailer, getting knocked over in the first of Starscream's three transformations.



The quick shot makes it hard to see that he knocks anyone over at all, and the yellow blur and positioning might make one assume that it's Bumblebee.  But as the TFW2005.com forum members pointed out, some clear red stripes confirm it to be Ratchet.  But I guess it doesn't count if you can barely see him; same with Ironhide (other than the supposed protoform version of him coming out of the pool).



I watched this several times, but I didn't examine it frame-by-frame.  Luckily, there are other people geeky enough to do it for us.  :P


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 17, 2007, 09:37:21 PM
Actually, Ironhide can be seen spinning in the air in slow-motion while avoiding rockets and firing his own. He's at least seen a little, unlike Ratchet.



Speaking of frame-by-frame, I assume you've noticed Megatron playing with his little Jazz rubber toy?



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on May 17, 2007, 10:27:20 PM
There's a slightly different version of that trailer here:



http://www.cybph.com/archives/296



Among the differences, there's a shot of Blackout using his rotor blade as a circular saw, one of scorponok landing roughly in the sand (almost as if he's just been kicked real hard) and at the very hand, we have Spike telling Optimus to hide because his mother would freak out if she saw him!



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on May 18, 2007, 11:58:03 AM
TerraEsperZ Said:
Actually, Ironhide can be seen spinning in the air in slow-motion while avoiding rockets and firing his own. He's at least seen a little, unlike Ratchet.



Speaking of frame-by-frame, I assume you've noticed Megatron playing with his little Jazz rubber toy?


Oh, duh, how could I forget that shot of Ironhide?  o_0



I saw a bit in the game trailer where Bumblebee transforms into vehicle form while flipping in the air just like Ironhide does here.  Perhaps Ironhide is also transforming but the shot cuts away before we see that.  After a flip like that, it would make more sense to try to land on your tires so I would wager that's what he'll do.



That sound when Jazz gets stepped on does sound like a rubber toy, like many people have mentioned.  But later in that same trailer, you see another shot of Megatron (it's where he's transforming) and a similar sound happens again.  It's Megatron's sound, not the sound of Jazz being stepped on.



You know, if this was G1, it'd be the other way around, Jazz would be able to step on Megatron (at least in gun form).  Heck, most Transformers would be able to.  But now Megatron looks like he's one of the biggest.  And as it already is, the Decepticons (except for Frenzy and Scorponok) probably all dwarf the Autobots.  I suppose that's what will make the possible mano-a-mano (roboto-a-roboto) battle between Bumblebee and Barricade seem much more even.



According to what Michael Bay has said, the most impressive shots are actually not featured in this trailer, so if that's true, that's crazy!  In a good way!  Along with an earlier statement that this film is almost non-stop action, maybe it's not that surprising.



And supposedly the Transformers in front of Shrek 3 may actually be quite different than that alternate international version:

http://www.firstshowing.net/2007/05/18/transformers-trailers-in-front-of-shrek-3-are-completely-different/


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on June 05, 2007, 08:50:53 PM
As expected, the movie is practically a car commercial...back in '86, people would've said Transformers was a toy commercial.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on June 05, 2007, 08:51:35 PM
As expected, the movie is practically a car commercial...



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on June 05, 2007, 08:51:37 PM
As expected, the movie is practically a car commercial...

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 05, 2007, 09:09:53 PM
He he he, you triple-posted that JonLeung ;)



And the Ratchet part is kinda misleading, has he's not a standard H2 Hummer, but some sort of weird, possibly military ambulance variant thereof.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on June 07, 2007, 07:02:29 PM
Gross, Sector Seven has what might be the movie theme song.



I found the original Japanese TV series' intro/outros here...now I gotta find the English ones...


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 08, 2007, 02:36:33 PM
Not that bad, but not that good either. I could see this playing during the ending credits though.



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: StarFighters76 on June 08, 2007, 08:31:41 PM
JonLeung Said:
As expected, the movie is practically a car commercial...

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 09, 2007, 05:54:21 PM
JonLeung Said:
Gross, Sector Seven has what might be the movie theme song.



I found the original Japanese TV series' intro/outros here...now I gotta find the English ones...

Looks like that theme song is either a fake or has another purpose because people have confirmed, based on the official soundtrack listing, that this is the official theme:



http://www.myspace.com/mutemath



Personally, I prefer the previous one, which has a definite 'Linkin Park' vibe that rubs me the right way...



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B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 14, 2007, 07:36:02 PM
If anyone ever doubted that this movie will have both action and heart, then watch this clip of Sam trying to hide the Autobots from his parents (you'll need DivX codecs for it I think). Especially take notice of Bumblebee and the gestures he's making toward Optimus; I was grinning like a madman while watching this :)



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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard



B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on July 02, 2007, 09:17:33 AM
Apparently they are doing the 8 PM early showing of Transformers today at most theaters in Edmonton that would be showing this at all.



But unfortunately I will not see it today as once planned.  Probably Friday, but at least that will be with more friends.



So I'll be avoiding this topic this week in case someone posts spoilers.  I have already read too many as it is on TFW2005.com - like who dies, what happens at the end, etc. - so it's unlikely I'll hear much else or even anything more major, and even so, it's another thing to see it...but you know, why risk ruining it?



I've been waiting to see this movie for years...another few days won't hurt (so long as nobody rubs it in that they've seen it already).


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on July 02, 2007, 06:59:27 PM
The worst thing is, if there was a movie for me to see in a theater, it would have been this one. Unfortunately, it's not being shown in English in Quebec city, and I say "fuck that" to seeing it dubbed in French. Just seeing the trailer dubbed is enough to turn me off the movie.



*sigh* Looks like I can either see it in a few weeks in Montreal with one of my friend, or wait until it's out on DVD. God do I hate that damn language-protection law...



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B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: StarFighters76 on July 04, 2007, 08:13:45 PM
I saw the movie on opening night and thought it was pretty good. The first hour was too long and drawn out with filler stuff. The Autobots were pretty funny though. And Prime's voice, might be slightly rusty for it being 20 years, but he's still got the touch.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on July 04, 2007, 08:59:30 PM
I finally cracked, and saw it today. I'll be brief and avoid any spoilers for the moment.



If I ignore the entire audio track, I would probably give it 3 stars out of 4. But I was forced to see it in French, dubbed in Quebec even. Let's just say that it was enough to remove one star and make an otherwise great movie into a merely 'okay' one. The voices of the bots were horrible, all of them. While most of their dialog was cheese, I trust that good voice actors could make them work. Our actors couldn't, and every sentence coming out of a transformer sounded between bad and awful. I'll probably write more tomorrow, but right now the dub is all I can think about. Talk about ruining a movie experience...



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B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on July 05, 2007, 08:13:29 PM
Kinda sad that all you can think about is the dub.



As a Transformers fan, and as the only other person in this topic, I'm sure you'll speak up about more, especially after I see it myself.



At least you didn't spoil anything for me, since I'll be seeing it in the original English.



(One thing I am curious about, though, is their names.  Are they directly translated into French?  Is "Starcream" like, "cri d'?toile" or something?  And apparently Brawl has been mistakenly referred to as Devastator in the film, a stupid mistake.  Is this corrected or at least consistent in French?)



I'm pretty much confirmed to be seeing it at 8:30 PM tomorrow evening.  I'm looking forward to it, a bunch of people are going.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on July 05, 2007, 08:39:33 PM
They didn't translate the names, thankfully. They did with the G1 cartoon back then, but the names weren't litteral translation, like Ego (Starscream), Radar (Soundwave), Saboteur (Ravage) or La Menace (Grimlock).



Since those are names, it doesn't matter as much. I really wish they'd called The Allspark something else like "La Source" which would actually mean something.



And yeah, the bots' voices ruined everything. While I appreciate that Quebec makes a lot of quality movies and TV series instead of relying exclusively on French and American stuff, it means that we're often stuck with the same 50 or so actors.



Heck, the guy doing Ratchet did Malabar's (Sparkplug) voice in the G1 cartoon, and the one who originally did Optimus Prime and his dubbing Homer Simpson over here was dubbing one of the army general. Optimus was dubbed by the same guy we see on TV all the time and also did the narration on The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. Plus, it didn't fit Prime at all and sounded like an old, tired guy, and his and Ratchet's voices, although done by two different actors, sounded too much alike.



Let's just say that I trust Cullen, Weaving and the other to be able to lend some dignity and credibility to the very cheesy dialog the bots have, while in French it just took me out of the movie everytime they spoke. It was like "Cool Hollywood Epic! Cool Hollywood Epic! ...Bad Kids Cartoon... Cool Hollywood Epic! Cool Hollywood Epic! ...Bad Kids Cartoon..." Etc, etc.



Looking foward to say more about the actual movie once you've seen it. I have a ton to say, it's just that the voices diminished the experience quite a bit.



I'll just say this though: I love Bumblebee, and I so wuv Frenzy :)



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B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on July 06, 2007, 10:43:24 PM
I just got back from seeing it.  It's almost midnight so I probably shouldn't stay long, but here are my gripes:



1. Very little screen time for the Decepticons.  More of Barricade, please!  And more of Starscream!  Heck, more of anybody.  (Frenzy had, by far, the most screen time, which I'm not sure counts as a gripe or not yet.)

2. Some of the Autobots (namely Jazz and Ratchet, and maybe Ironhide) were also lacking in screen time.

3. Way too much shaky-cam, so what we could see of the Transformers was often too blurry.



As a Transformers fan, I had hoped to see more of the Transformers themselves, you know, the film's called "Transformers", not "Sam gets a date", but hey, the film was still worth the money, and I had a blast.  Lots of friends actually showed up, so it's all good.  Until what I saw settles in and I have more to complain about.  Fans are good at that.  :P


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on September 05, 2007, 01:34:33 PM
So, 2 months later...



Any more complaints? I got an email from Columbia House asking for a reserve on the DVD coming out mid-October. I thought it was coming later in the year though.



I liked it enough to buy the DVD. I can accept its a seperate universe from G1. I'd still like to see a continuation of the G1 worlds though.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 05, 2007, 05:31:20 PM
Well, my biggest complaints aside from the horrible Quebec dub, is that yes, the Transformers didn't get enough air time (especially the Decepticons except for Frenzy, who was easily my favorite 'Con) and Michael Bay's frantic editing that almost never really allows the audience to appreciate the incredible CGI models and transformations, and makes most of the battles totally incomprehensible as to who is doing what to whom.



And Bustin98, if you're interested in seeing more G1, there *is* a on-going comic series being down right now by IDW. Of course, it's a new take on G1  since both the old cartoon and comic are *really* dated today, but it manages to capture many of the qualities of the old property while injecting quite a bit of freshness into it. I can tell you more about it if you want.



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B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 06, 2007, 09:20:51 AM
I was about to suggest the G1 comics and refer you to Terra.  I haven't read much of them myself (I'm not a comic person, mostly because I'm cheap) but they seem to be the best way to get an ongoing G1 fix.



I did get the first volume of War Within, which is seen as a precursor of G1, as they're still on Cybertron so they have different forms but are all still instantly recognizeable as the G1 characters we all know and love.



Oh, yeah, turns out the IMAX version of Transformers only has two extra minutes.  I was hoping for more, sheesh.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: bustin98 on September 06, 2007, 10:18:21 AM
I'm not a huge fan of the comics. I bought the original series when it was with DW (I have three posters from them in my office), and I got the War Within series but I wasn't too impressed. I have not had a chance to see the new stuff from IDW but thats cause my entertainment dollars go towards video games instead of comics. That and there isn't a local comic shop.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: StarFighters76 on September 10, 2007, 08:36:16 PM
Now I heard there was gonna be two more movies. I'm wondering what will happen next? My guess will be the second movie will introduce more Transformers, Starscream will think he's the leader but Megatron comes back. The third movie might be loosely based off of the 80s movie. But this is all a guess from my end.

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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 11, 2007, 06:48:56 AM
I believe the main stars were contracted to do two more films, and as is often the case with film, a popular movie deserves two sequels.  Going for a trilogy, you know.  And also is usually the case these days, the second will probably have quite the cliffhanger that leads right into the third which will be released sooner than the wait between the first two.



I believe the producers did say that something major such as Unicron would be "good for a third movie" so your guess isn't that far off.  Though having Unicron (if at all) and having key characters possibly dying is as close as they could get to the original animated movie, I seriously doubt they'd have enough Transformers and they'd still have too many humans to make it anything like it.  They'd also probably want to keep selling cars and they obviously didn't care about the forms of the original G1 crew so if we do see anyone that would be considered "later G1", don't expect them (or at least the Autobots) to resemble futuristic vehicles.



I do hope they have fan favorites like Soundwave in one of these films in an acceptable enough form, though it could end up like Gambit not being in the X-Men films.


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 11, 2007, 09:59:34 AM
Personally, I hope they don't got the typical trilogy route since it almost always involves stretching a story over two movies where the first one isn't complete in itself and the second just doesn't live up to the hype. The only such trilogy where I found the third movie satisfying was Return To The Future so tells you something.



Personally, I hope they do what they did with the X-Men movies. The first one was adequate and served more as a general introduction to the characters and the universe, and the second really went ahead with a real plot and better characterization (we'll conveniently ignore that abortion that was X-Men: The Last Stand) where the bots finally take center stage.



And personally? I'd avoid Unicron like the plague, as I just don't feel he could work in a live-action setting. Regardless of what most people think, I believe that a live-action Transformers movie *needs* the human factor, and humans wouldn't be credible against a universal threat on Unicron's scale. Plus we've had more than enough of him in recent years in everything from cartoons to comics. Let's find something else for the TF to fight than a giant Satan-styled planet.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 04, 2008, 05:31:34 PM
Less than 300 days, so can we start talking about the sequel now?



As usual, I got this bit of news from TFW2005.com...here we have some footage taken from PhillyFilmGirl, who snuck close enough to the shoot:



Sounds somewhat spoileriffic, kinda...



Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: StarFighters76 on September 25, 2008, 10:45:44 AM
Of course I'm ready to see Transformers 2.



I heard some interesting things about this next movie though.



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Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: JonLeung on September 25, 2008, 11:26:59 AM
Well, on JoBlo.com the other day, they revealed an image suggesting that A CERTAIN CHARCTER is back with a new MORE FAN-FRIENDLY ALT-MODE.  



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Avoiding spoilers, but that might make it more obvous.



They had a special on ET on Tuesday.  I don't even watch Entertainment tonight but it happened to be on, so I watched their "Transformers Tuesday" where they visited a desert set that they had some jets fly over and then blew up.  They bragged it was the "mother of all Michael Bay explosions" yet they didn't get a good shot of it (obviously that'd be reserved for the movie), so it was rather underwhelming.  Also they talked a little with Shia LaBoeuf, Tyrese Gibson, and Josh Duhamel, but Megan Fox said next to nothing...boo.  They promised more sneak peeks in the future but I'm sure the Internet will reveal just as much if not more than these ET "exclusives".


Title: RE: Transformers Movie discussion
Post by: StarFighters76 on September 26, 2008, 03:07:02 PM
I saw that too on ET.



As for the certain character coming back, dunno who that is.

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