Post by: DarkWolf on July 28, 2007, 07:02:14 pm
Whee these are easier to do than the Blake Stone maps, although they don't look as good. I've got Episode 1 done, others will follow soon.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on July 29, 2007, 07:34:34 pm
Too bad I don't have the files anymore because it would have been fun to compare the two :)
About the map, I've noticed that there's a lot of unused (black) space around this map and those from Blake Stone. Even though cropping the map to only include the playable area wouldn't reduce the final file size in any appreciable way, it might make the maps easier to manage (the decompressed map will take less memory while vieweing). Unless I'm totally off the mark of course.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: DarkWolf on July 29, 2007, 10:01:25 pm
Post by: Maxim on July 30, 2007, 09:44:55 am
Post by: DarkWolf on July 31, 2007, 05:15:55 am
The only thing I didn't try was a checkered mask which would give the illusion of a transparent wall. But I don't think that would look much better.
The problem with a lighter wall is that the textures are sized in such a way that if I omit the south and east walls or make them too light you get an optical illusion (which is still somewhat present at first glance), where it looks like the room next to another room separated by only one block thickness is higher vertically than the room next to it, when in fact it is not.
There are problems with 2:1 diametric projection, but I thought a flat map would have been lame, especially with map editors available for these games. Also I don't have the time or skill set to do a different type of 3d projection.
Post by: Maxim on July 31, 2007, 07:08:59 am
If the walls had some thickness then there'd be some overlap which would provide depth cues, but there's no texture for wall tops and it'd cause a little bit of self-occlusion. It might be a worthwhile tradeoff though, maybe 4 or 5 pixels of wall tops on the NE walls, in the floor colour?
You're rendering the N and E walls with different brightnesses to make them look more 3D, did you try doing the same with the S and E walls?
Post by: DarkWolf on July 31, 2007, 11:15:29 am
The reason the N/S and W/E walls are a different brightness is because they are separate textures in the game, not by my choice. Most of the time the difference is just in brightness but there are a few walls which have a different N/S texture than the W/E texture. A prime example is the elevator. Those walls are all the same wall #, but one side is the switch and the other is the railing. I just decided to keep that method to avoid complications. Plus I'm sure some avid Wolf3d fan would have some choice words for me if I used only the bright or dark side. ;)
The only real difference in the methods I used for the S/E walls was just in how noticeable the optical illusion was. It also helped in Blake Stone that there were dark floor textures, so the floor/wall overlap was darker but the sprites still showed through okay. Unfortunately Wolf3d has a solid, lighter floor color.
Post by: Maxim on September 07, 2007, 04:50:28 am
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4113/compliedzl1.png
Post by: DarkWolf on September 07, 2007, 06:30:24 am
Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2007, 07:37:01 am
I just noticed something...
Do you mean the "Wolf" part or something else?(I always thought it was neat that the majority of the Mega Man maps were made by Geminiman. Funny thing is, if you ask him, that's only a coincidence, as he says he didn't originally name himself after Gemini Man from Mega Man III like you would think.)
Post by: Maxim on September 07, 2007, 10:23:47 am
If I get the time and inclination I might fix it myself. I wouldn't mind doing a little cropping too...
Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2007, 10:38:17 am
EDIT: Ooooh, compLIed...
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 09, 2007, 12:12:52 pm
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: Maxim on September 09, 2007, 03:30:19 pm
Post by: DarkWolf on September 10, 2007, 10:41:50 am
Post by: Maxim on September 10, 2007, 10:58:52 am
Post by: DarkWolf on September 10, 2007, 01:34:51 pm
Post by: Maxim on September 11, 2007, 03:17:47 am
Here's the things I changed and/or screwed up at least once:
- Complied -> Compiled
- TM not cut from the logo
- Correct info on title card
- Multiple of 64px width/height
- 64px padding on map
A recheck of these would be good.
http://rapidshare.com/files/54887640/wolf3d.zip.html
Post by: DarkWolf on September 11, 2007, 10:00:39 am
Post by: Maxim on September 11, 2007, 10:39:01 am
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 11, 2007, 10:51:55 am
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: DarkWolf on September 11, 2007, 11:56:47 am
Post by: Maxim on September 12, 2007, 02:23:11 am
http://rapidshare.com/files/55098908/wolf3d.zip.html
All done. I think.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 13, 2007, 08:34:24 pm
I practically began my PC gaming career with Wolfenstein 3D, which was the best game I could play on our first computer which we inherited when one of my uncle died (it was a 386DX40, so a measly 40 MHz for those who don't know what that means, and it only had 2 MB of RAM). I still remember how tough Episode 6 Level 1 was, with all those long corridors with tons of alcoves with white guards in them.
Hey Darkwolf, are you planning on mapping its sequel, Spear Of Destiny? I remember the very last level being very scary once you picked up the Spear, what with all the ghosts, hellish walls and of course, the Angel of Death.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." [...] The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
B*tch, meet reality. Reality, meet b*tch. - Me
Post by: DarkWolf on September 14, 2007, 06:50:01 am
I may also do Body Count, but it has problems I need to solve, mainly the walls with masking.
Post by: JonLeung on September 16, 2007, 08:05:22 am
Well, all email is blocked for me at work, so this'll have to do.
http://rapidshare.com/files/55098908/wolf3d.zip.html
All done. I think.
I was downloading it and my computer froze at 50%. And now it says the file has reached its download limit. >_<http://rapidshare.com/files/55098908/wolf3d.zip.html
All done. I think.
You'll have to put it up again somewhere.
Post by: Maxim on September 16, 2007, 08:26:54 am
Post by: Maxim on September 16, 2007, 03:08:08 pm
Post by: Maxim on September 17, 2007, 03:27:25 am
...but I can upload a lot faster at work.
http://www.2shared.com/file/2283904/dbc694bc/wolf3d.html
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/10664/wolf3d-zip.html