Post by: JonLeung on April 06, 2008, 03:54:58 pm
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EDIT: As of Mar. 31, 2012, this is now complete! Thanks to everyone who contributed!
Well, since Will Mallia reminded me, I did want to look at continuing on from our "NES Game Atlas" recreation topic (https://www.vgmaps.com/forums/index.php?topic=146.0) with a "Super NES Game Atlas" topic.
While the fourth Nintendo Power Player's Guide did focus on the Super NES, and was an incredible book at the time, it was meant to cover as many games as possible for the then-new Super NES and mostly had lots of tips and screenshots and the like. Some of the bigger games did have more than a couple pages and even had some maps (The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past's Light World map was clearly constructed using pasted-together photos, then Super Castlevania IV had some cool renditions, and then there was Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts and Final Fantasy II/IV) but it was certainly not what one would call an "atlas". This topic considers what games would've been in a "Super NES Game Atlas", had Nintendo Power ever made it.
There are certainly some new franchises in this era and lots of other games worth mapping (such as all of those RPGs!) but imagining a "Super NES Game Atlas" as a mere continuation of the NES Game Atlas, the focus in this topic would be on the original eight franchises - though it's been reduced to seven. All of them have had less "main" games than on the NES - Zelda and Mega Man have the same number only if you include the spin-offs, and Mario has much more because of them.
I expect, as always, that people will map what they like when they feel like it, but for what it's worth, this would be the list of games as far as I know.
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Status: COMPLETE!
Mario Mania
Super Mario All-Stars (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#SuperMarioAllStars)
Super Mario World (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#SuperMarioWorld)
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#SuperMarioWorld2YoshisIsland)
+Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#SuperMarioRPGLegendOfTheSevenStars)
+Mario & Wario (J) (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#MarioWario)
+Super Mario Kart (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#SuperMarioKart)
+Yoshi's Safari (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#YoshisSafari)
Amazing Zelda
The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#LegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast)
+BS Zelda (J) (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#BSZelda)
Mega Mechanical Mayhem
Mega Man VII (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#MegaManVII)
Mega Man & Bass (J) (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#MegaManBass)
+Mega Man's Soccer (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#MegaMansSoccer)
+Mega Man X (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#MegaManX)
+Mega Man X 2 (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#MegaManX2)
+Mega Man X 3 (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#MegaManX3)
Disney Dizziness
The Magical Quest: Starring Mickey Mouse (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#MagicalQuestStarringMickeyMouse)
The Great Circus Mystery: Starring Mickey & Minnie (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#GreatCircusMysteryStarringMickeyMinnie)
The Magical Quest 3: Starring Mickey & Donald (J) (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#MagicalQuest3StarringMickeyDonald)
Goof Troop (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#GoofTroop)
Aladdin (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#Aladdin)
Bonkers (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#Bonkers)
Ninja Magic
Ninja Gaiden Trilogy (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#NinjaGaidenTrilogy)
Turtles In Trouble
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles In Time (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesIVTurtlesInTime)
+Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesTournamentFighters)
Castles Of Horror
Super Castlevania IV (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#SuperCastlevaniaIV)
Castlevania: Dracula X (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#CastlevaniaDraculaX)
Post by: JonLeung on April 06, 2008, 04:05:56 pm
Currently, most of the major games on the list have already been done long before I made up the list. The biggest games remaining include SMW2: Yoshi's Island (Peardian?), TMNT IV: Turtles In Time, and Super Castlevania IV (TerraEsperZ?). And some Disney/Capcom games, and of those The Magical Quest Starring Mickey Mouse is probably the most memorable.
(If you count the Mega Man X games as Mega Man games (even though many would consider them separate from the non-X classics), then Mega Man X & Mega Man X 2 are on the list, though they're probably on their way to completion by Geminiman anyway (who's also done some maps for Bonkers).)
I don't expect this to be finished as quickly as the NES Atlas, if ever at all. I'm just throwing it out there (glances in Will Mallia's direction)...
If you were wondering, earlier I had Mickey Mania, Mickey's Ultimate Challenge, Maui Mallard In Cold Shadow, Pinocchio, The Lion King, and Toy Story on the list for the "Disney Dizziness" chapter, but have been removed as they weren't made by Capcom. Some may have been published by Capcom in certain parts of the world but the games were not developed by them. Not that there were ever "rules" that the games in this chapter had to be Disney games specifically developed by Capcom (the original NES Game Atlas only had Duck Tales and Chip 'N Dale: Rescue Rangers, after all), but aside from The Lion King (already mapped by Grizzly) and Mickey Mania (looked good from what I remember, at least), the other games just aren't any good, in my opinion. I doubt anyone would even want to map them. They're certainly not worth mapping over so many other games available on the Super NES. I wouldn't miss them.
Post by: Eggz on April 06, 2008, 09:37:37 pm
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This looks like a job for Science!
Post by: Will on April 12, 2008, 12:36:55 pm
Post by: JonLeung on April 12, 2008, 01:45:03 pm
I guess I also didn't think those NES games counted at all when I was making the NES Game Atlas recreation topic. I only had platformers in mind (though I did end up leaving All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros. (or whatever it's called) off the list).
When I was putting together the Super NES list here, I was thinking that this was about the time big franchises were big enough for spin-offs (Super Mario Kart, Mega Man Soccer), even if there were some a generation earlier. Then remembering that you like to send in a couple cities at a time to me of the Super NES version of Mario Is Missing!, I did remember those "edutainment" titles this time around.
I'll think about it. I may add those two NES games onto the NES list (arrgh, that makes it incomplete!), or I may even remove those two games from this Super NES list.
The point is absolutely moot, though. Once you've finished mapping both versions of both games, people are going to look at those maps if they want to, because they are those maps, not because I chose to or didn't choose to put them on this list.
The purpose of this list is to enourage people to map certain games, and since you're well on your way to finishing Mario Is Missing! (Super NES) anyway, that shouldn't change anything.
Post by: JonLeung on April 21, 2008, 09:16:03 pm
Guess we're still waiting on a few more from X 2...oh, yes, and the fields from Soccer... :P
Post by: Will on May 22, 2008, 12:33:47 pm
Post by: marioman on May 22, 2008, 01:30:27 pm
...Megaman 2X...
That sounds like a hard game. I have enough trouble beating the Mega Man at 1X speed.
Post by: Ryan Ferneau on May 22, 2008, 06:51:57 pm
The SNES version of Mario's Time Machine would probably be really easy to map, since each area is only a screen or two long with nothing really happening. If you wanted to make it useful, you could try superimposing the pictures of the conversations and what items you can give and take at each place.
Do you think the surfing sections are mapped in the ROM like those ball-gathering bonus games in Sonic, or are they just random? (You can see I care way more about those silly Mario edutainment games than is called for.)
Post by: Eggz on May 22, 2008, 11:20:09 pm
Ryan, it would probably do you some good to read entire threads before making a post; you'll might find the answer to your question before you ask it sometimes.
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This looks like a job for Science!
Post by: Will on May 23, 2008, 02:15:49 am
Post by: Ryan Ferneau on May 23, 2008, 09:35:35 am
Post by: Will on May 23, 2008, 02:07:13 pm
Post by: JonLeung on May 23, 2008, 04:21:20 pm
Post by: Will on June 06, 2008, 08:21:41 am
Post by: JonLeung on June 06, 2008, 09:44:06 am
Post by: Will on June 07, 2008, 10:16:32 am
Post by: JonLeung on June 08, 2008, 04:07:19 pm
Post by: Maxim on June 09, 2008, 03:58:56 am
Post by: Will on June 09, 2008, 08:31:52 am
"Since this game was not actually developed by Nintendo or Shigeru Miyamoto (they sublicensed the characters), it bears little resemblance to earlier Mario titles."
Of course this piece of the article means the two games are best removed from the list, but of course this doesn't matter to me, my maps will be up on the site all the same and anyway that decreases the number of games to be mapped so the SNES recreation can be finished quicker. I'll think about what to do next.
Lastly Peardian and Stefan Mahrla, are you ready to resume your work on Yoshi's Island and finish the map set?
Post by: JonLeung on June 09, 2008, 10:09:03 pm
I don't know why Peardian hasn't signed up, but I think he said he wanted to work on other things before returning to Yoshi's Island.
Post by: Will on June 10, 2008, 03:48:03 am
Post by: marioman on June 10, 2008, 05:20:47 am
Post by: Rew on June 10, 2008, 07:44:57 am
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- Spark Mandrill
Post by: marioman on June 10, 2008, 01:51:31 pm
Post by: JonLeung on June 10, 2008, 02:07:04 pm
Actually, Super Metroid had its own Player's Guide. (I still keep my grid-paper in-game map in mine! :D) Maybe we'll make another topic to tackle every game that ever had their own dedicated Player's Guide from Nintendo Power. o_0 Though after the Super NES era, they really churned out so many, pretty much every major first-party game. The quality of most of the N64-and-later guides never seemed as good as the old ones. Or at least, much less original artwork specifically for the Player's Guide. Mario Mania (the one about Mario, but also the then-new Super Mario World) and The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past were two of the best ones.
Hmmm, like Super Metroid, they also had a Nintendo Power comic. The trifecta of perfection, those three. The real Triforce. LOL, I'm such a geek.
Post by: Will on June 10, 2008, 02:43:01 pm
Post by: Will on June 11, 2008, 06:44:25 am
Post by: JonLeung on June 11, 2008, 07:02:27 am
Post by: The Ultimate Koopa on June 11, 2008, 07:06:11 am
and would you just be doing the foreground, or backgrounds as well?
Post by: Will on June 11, 2008, 11:14:45 am
Post by: Will on June 11, 2008, 11:27:35 pm
Post by: The Ultimate Koopa on June 12, 2008, 01:45:02 am
I really wish I could do some of these ... but one thing I always wonder, how do you make a screenshot of a screen with an enemy, then take the next screenshot without the same enemy appearing on the 2nd screen? Or do you somehow 'paste' the background over it to erase any copies?
Post by: Will on June 12, 2008, 02:35:24 am
Post by: Maxim on June 12, 2008, 02:38:04 am
2. Use the image editor's eraser to remove the part with the enemy before you "fuse" it into the background. Works great in Paint Shop Pro with its "floating" pastes. This is what I do mostly.
3. Use the game's tile-based nature to overdraw the parts in question with graphics sourced elsewhere. I do this when there's bits I can't easily fix with #2.
Post by: The Ultimate Koopa on June 12, 2008, 05:02:47 pm
Post by: JonLeung on June 14, 2008, 02:57:41 pm
Post by: JonLeung on June 21, 2008, 04:11:48 pm
Post by: JonLeung on July 12, 2008, 11:21:10 am
Post by: JonLeung on July 13, 2008, 07:08:58 pm
I'll let marioman check that off his own Mega Man list...
Post by: marioman on July 13, 2008, 07:59:51 pm
Yes, the Mega Man X2 maps complete the game. Checking off of my list now.
Post by: JonLeung on July 13, 2008, 08:21:11 pm
Post by: The Ultimate Koopa on July 14, 2008, 04:34:50 pm
Post by: Revned on July 14, 2008, 04:50:24 pm
Post by: Will on July 14, 2008, 10:18:23 pm
Post by: Revned on July 14, 2008, 11:07:11 pm
Post by: The Ultimate Koopa on July 15, 2008, 12:27:01 pm
Post by: JonLeung on July 15, 2008, 01:07:00 pm
Of course, if there was a more sophisticated system, I suppose the "NEW" indicators could be automated too, based on the timestamp, i.e. if it's older than a week or two.
Either way, though, unless I suddenly get a lot of free time (unlikely) or can pay someone that I trust to convert the entire site (while keeping it easy for my codephobic self), a site conversion isn't happening in the near future.
I have certainly thought about it, and I'm not opposed to it. It's just not on the horizon.
Post by: Will on July 15, 2008, 01:07:49 pm
Post by: JonLeung on July 15, 2008, 01:11:22 pm
Though I suppose (and don't expect any miracles) if we want to talk about what we would like to see in a possible site makeover, someone could start a topic specifically about that - actually, wait, I'll make a topic myself later today about that. Then we could also discuss viable options, who might be able to help out, etc., so that when I do have time to get my hands dirty at least we'll have an idea where we're going with it and I (or we) would actually be making changes that people want, and features that people would actually use.
EDIT: Here's that topic. Topic 777, no less. Must be a sign.
Oh, and...50th post!
Post by: JonLeung on July 27, 2008, 09:00:43 pm
Post by: Will on July 27, 2008, 09:38:36 pm
Post by: Will on August 23, 2008, 02:06:34 am
Post by: vorpal86 on August 23, 2008, 02:30:50 am
Post by: JonLeung on August 23, 2008, 09:34:22 am
Also, another map of Will's for Mario & Wario (J). How many levels are there? I remember reading 13 last I checked...
Post by: Will on September 02, 2008, 09:56:57 am
Post by: JonLeung on September 06, 2008, 09:42:23 am
Post by: marioman on September 06, 2008, 10:38:29 am
So this leaves one Mario game for the SNES? Yoshi's Island is a very nice game. (Gameplay-wise and visually.) I am sure that the maps for it will will look really good.
Post by: ZanderZ on September 19, 2008, 03:31:31 am
About Mickey Mania: "I doubt anyone would even want to map them. They're certainly not worth mapping over so many other games available on the Super NES. I wouldn't miss them."
I started working on Mickey Mania a while ago, but it's a hard game to map. I might finish it one day, but if anyone else wants to do it, I really wouldn't mind.
I remember playing "Toy Story" on the SNES, I'll see if I still like it and maybe start mapping it after I finish...
... Yoshi's Island. I finished World 2 and already sent it to Jon, so hopefully it will be added this weekend. The other maps will follow.
Post by: JonLeung on September 27, 2008, 05:15:44 pm
And Sander has contributed some of Worlds 2 and 3 of Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.
Post by: JonLeung on October 04, 2008, 06:42:57 pm
(Peardian also states he wants to resume mapping that...hopefully you guys can work it out nicely...)
Post by: ZanderZ on October 06, 2008, 02:55:20 am
Post by: Will on October 06, 2008, 04:30:20 am
Post by: JonLeung on October 06, 2008, 07:17:27 am
Right now we've got a number of Yoshi's Island maps but they're from different mappers. We've got some broken up in pieces and some as a single image per stage, some that are JPEGs and some that are PNGs, some that don't have backgrounds and some that do...
(Ideally they should be single-image PNGs with backgrounds...hint hint...)
Then you have things like whether or not or how exactly to place enemies and/or items and/or dynamic elements like moving platforms, whether the "blank"/"unreachable" areas are filled in and how, how the "rooms" are arranged and connected (and if they fit on a grid), what background colour is used for any non-gameplay/"outside" area of the image, how copyright/title/etc. information is presented if they are at all...so on and so forth.
Post by: ZanderZ on October 07, 2008, 06:17:41 am
@Jon: ofcourse I'll do them as PNG. Making JPEGs of it makes no sense because the files will be bigger in size and the compression ruins everything.
However, I will not add the backgrounds to my images. I feel it's very distracting and does not give any advantages over not having a background.
So the way it is now, I will finish up all remaining levels (I just realised all worlds also have 1 bonus level, which means I will have to finish each level at 100%, so these levels will probably be done last) and when Peardian does his new take, Jon can decide which version to keep.
I guess Peardian will include the background, so probably his new versions will replace mine but that's fine with me when the time comes.
Post by: JonLeung on October 07, 2008, 08:24:21 am
I'm excited to see that Yoshi's Island will be taken care of...now how about some Super Castlevania IV? Didn't Terra start that? >_>
Post by: TerraEsperZ on October 07, 2008, 11:01:31 am
I never had any intention of mapping past the first stage, the famous "black-on-black" layer separation problem being the biggest obstacles.
Besides, I'm trying to complete some of the maps I've started before doing anything else, and my signature is proof that I'm really, *really* far behind.
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Post by: marioman on October 07, 2008, 03:59:43 pm
I feel it's very distracting and does not give any advantages over not having a background.
Strangely enough, I feel exactly the opposite about backgrounds. Maps without backgrounds look empty to me. The backgrounds make the maps look more like environments than mere diagrams.
Post by: Will on October 20, 2008, 01:45:26 pm
Post by: JonLeung on October 25, 2008, 02:35:10 pm
Post by: Will on November 08, 2008, 09:45:49 am
Post by: JonLeung on November 08, 2008, 06:14:31 pm
Regarding the font, I swear I've seen it in other Capcom Super NES games. Try Disney's Magical Quest: Starring Mickey Mouse, maybe it has those letters in that font? I guess you just need them to once say the word "patch" and you'll have it covered. :P
I swear, every game should have a pangram in it. Like "Waltz, nymph, for quick jigs vex Bud" or "Jack, love my big wad of sphinx quartz" so that we can rip the font easily. :P
Post by: Maxim on November 09, 2008, 06:08:33 am
This is good for hacking the game text.
Post by: ZanderZ on November 14, 2008, 11:53:30 am
I can probably do some maps the next week, so hopefully I finish some of them in time for next weeks update.
Post by: Will on November 18, 2008, 02:34:32 pm
Post by: JonLeung on November 22, 2008, 03:48:24 pm
Also from Will, a bit more of The Magical Quest: Starring Mickey Mouse.
Post by: JonLeung on December 05, 2008, 07:04:39 pm
Post by: Will on December 15, 2008, 09:54:27 am
Post by: Piranhaplant on December 16, 2008, 03:01:10 pm
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Games I have mapped--Zombies Ate My Neighbors (SNES), Mario Party 3 (N64), Super Mario Bros Deluxe (GBC), New Super Mario Bros. (DS), Mario Kart DS (DS)
Post by: Peardian on December 21, 2008, 10:48:23 am
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Post by: Will on December 22, 2008, 02:53:53 am
Post by: Will on December 23, 2008, 07:05:31 am
Post by: JonLeung on December 23, 2008, 07:43:58 am
Are you going to tackle Aladdin next?
Post by: Will on December 23, 2008, 09:01:12 am
Post by: JonLeung on December 23, 2008, 08:55:31 pm
Another green "O", so Chapter 5: Disney Dizziness is half done now! Thanks, Will!
Post by: JonLeung on December 26, 2008, 07:01:32 pm
Post by: JonLeung on December 29, 2008, 02:39:36 pm
Post by: JonLeung on January 10, 2009, 09:31:28 am
Post by: JonLeung on January 11, 2009, 04:13:41 pm
Post by: Will on January 14, 2009, 05:58:30 am
Post by: JonLeung on January 16, 2009, 07:21:19 pm
Also today, he submitted Advanced D&D: Eye Of The Beholder and Arabian Nights (J). He has submitted three games alphabetically next to each other on the Super NES page... (He also submitted Aero Fighters 2 for the Neo-Geo, which I'll put up soon.) What's with the fixation with the letter A today, Will?
Also, apparently Aladdin is one of the best-known stories from 1001 Arabian Nights, however was not part of the original.
The more you know...
Post by: Will on January 17, 2009, 09:37:14 am
I wonder why no game company ever made a sequel of the Aladdin game based on the film after the first film called "Return of Jafar". What is more I'm wondering why not a single game of 'Ariel the Little Mermaid' was ever designed for SNES.
Post by: Maxim on January 17, 2009, 10:48:52 am
2. Wasn't the SNES released quite a long time after the movie?
Post by: Will on January 21, 2009, 12:44:53 pm
Post by: JonLeung on January 23, 2009, 08:08:54 pm
If only Yoshi's Island wasn't so daunting...
Post by: Peardian on January 23, 2009, 08:36:00 pm
Please save the castles for me, Piranhaplant. :3
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Post by: JonLeung on January 24, 2009, 10:26:25 am
It's strange how obscure this game is considering that The Magical Quest: Starring Mickey Mouse was a hit. Or at least I was under the impression that it was.
Seems Capcom thought so too, since the GBA release is instead titled The Magical Quest 2: Starring Mickey & Minnie, to make it clear that it's part of the same series.
Post by: Peardian on January 24, 2009, 10:51:10 am
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Post by: JonLeung on January 24, 2009, 01:05:35 pm
I always thought it was a joke between me and my brother about the silliness of the title "Touch Fuzzy, Get Dizzy" but apparently we're not the only ones in the world that love that title so, that it's been brought up many a time on the Internet. Though if anyone else is quoting other Yoshi's Island stage names, I don't think I would have noticed...
Post by: Peardian on January 24, 2009, 03:08:02 pm
After several hours of nonstop ripping, I just got all the backgrounds from World 1, only one of which is a palette swap. I'll put it up for download in case anyone, especially Piranhaplant, wants them. Even if you're not mapping YI, the backgrounds area still nice to look at. I've also included animation frames for most of the animated ones.
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Post by: TerraEsperZ on January 24, 2009, 04:13:18 pm
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Post by: Piranhaplant on January 24, 2009, 07:29:30 pm
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Games I have mapped--Zombies Ate My Neighbors (SNES), Mario Party 3 (N64), Super Mario Bros Deluxe (GBC), New Super Mario Bros. (DS), Mario Kart DS (DS)
Post by: Peardian on January 24, 2009, 09:34:10 pm
I'll start getting the rest of the backgrounds tomorrow. I know I said I could rip them all in one day, but I didn't count on burnout after 7 straight hours or so. I might have a high attention span, but I still get bored after long enough. :P
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Post by: Peardian on January 25, 2009, 06:15:27 pm
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8uljoi
You'll notice that there are less backgrounds in this pack. That's because I'm not including duplicates. Levels that don't have any backgrounds in the pack used ones straight from World 1. I may or may not have World 3's backgrounds done today as well. Either way, I'll have World 4's backgrounds by tomorrow. I'm sure Piranhaplant is looking forward to those. :P
On a side note, I absolutely love the castles/fortresses in this game, especially the music. In fact, mapping the castles is the biggest reason why I started mapping YI in the first place. My two favorite castles in the game are Naval Piranha's and Raphael the Raven's.
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Post by: Peardian on January 29, 2009, 11:56:07 pm
World 6: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ssz1o9
So, the backgrounds in the game are all ripped, and the weekend is coming up. That means I can go ahead and start remapping World 1. Also, I started mapping Doodle Woods in Wario Land 4 the other day on a whim. I'll finish that before I redo my first YI map and send them both in.
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Post by: The Ultimate Koopa on January 30, 2009, 11:14:09 am
Post by: The Ultimate Koopa on January 30, 2009, 11:29:23 am
Post by: Will on February 01, 2009, 12:10:21 pm
Post by: Peardian on February 01, 2009, 12:31:03 pm
And I finished the map for Welcome To Yoshi's Island! Hooray! It only took me about two hours. I also touched up each of the six world maps. And on top of that, I sent in the world map from Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3 that I made in 2005 and never sent in for some reason.
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YTT (34%) - WL4 (64%) - PM (36%) - YI (11%) - SMRPG (0%)
Post by: JonLeung on February 01, 2009, 03:30:09 pm
Post by: marioman on February 01, 2009, 08:46:34 pm
Post by: Will on February 06, 2009, 04:17:35 pm
Post by: JonLeung on February 06, 2009, 04:57:32 pm
Man, Stage 2-Area 2 in The Great Circus Mystery isn't anything like the Battletoads stage in the snake pit, is it? o_0
Post by: Peardian on February 07, 2009, 05:11:09 pm
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YTT (34%) - WL4 (64%) - PM (36%) - YI (11%) - SMRPG (0%)
Post by: Peardian on February 12, 2009, 11:42:12 am
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YTT (34%) - WL4 (64%) - PM (36%) - YI (11%) - SMRPG (0%)
Post by: Will on February 13, 2009, 08:05:47 am
Post by: JonLeung on February 14, 2009, 07:05:24 am
And he's also started The Magical Quest 3: Starring Mickey & Donald (J) which means that now every game has at least been started! Though at this point it's really only this and Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island that's left, really.
(But if anyone wants to count the Donkey Kong Country trilogy in this, we now have the third stage, Reptile Rumble, from the first Donkey Kong Country, as mapped by Rick Bruns.)
Post by: Peardian on February 15, 2009, 01:35:21 pm
And we can't really toss the DKC trilogy out of the SNES atlas, they're too important. :P
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Post by: JonLeung on February 17, 2009, 07:28:47 am
These new maps look incredible. Much better to have areas altogether like that. I like how you've put enemy stats and item locations.
I think the revamped Super Mario RPG maps will be a testament to how all Super NES RPGs should be mapped. And that is, thoroughly. The 7th Saga and Secret Of Evermore have earlier received similar treatment by KingKuros and Grizzly, at least regarding item locations.
I wonder if anyone will ever tackle Final Fantasy IV, V, and VI with such zeal. 0_0 Or any of the other big Squaresoft JRPGs.
So, Peardian, do you think you'll ever tackle Mario & Luigi: Partners In Time or Mario & Luigi 3? It seems like you're the Mario RPG fan around here. :)
Post by: Will on February 17, 2009, 09:35:25 am
Anyway I am currently in the second stage of The Magical Quest 3. This game has seven instead six stages.
Post by: Will on February 17, 2009, 01:11:00 pm
Post by: Peardian on February 17, 2009, 01:37:23 pm
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Post by: JonLeung on February 17, 2009, 06:05:55 pm
Post by: Peardian on February 19, 2009, 11:54:39 pm
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Post by: JonLeung on February 20, 2009, 06:04:05 pm
Post by: Will on February 21, 2009, 01:55:12 pm
Post by: JonLeung on February 21, 2009, 02:17:18 pm
Post by: Peardian on February 22, 2009, 03:12:08 pm
Oh, and I'm still feeling bleh. Progress will be slow or halted until I get better. :(
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Post by: JonLeung on February 24, 2009, 09:34:58 pm
Frogfucious and Mallow are cool. And Toadofsky, definitely.
Post by: Will on February 25, 2009, 10:07:55 am
Post by: JonLeung on February 27, 2009, 05:31:08 pm
Also, there are revised maps of Rose Town and Rose Way from Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars by Peardian.
And though it doesn't quite please dbarrier54 quite yet, a revised version of Chocolate Island 2 from Super Mario World by Stefan Mahrla is up now too.
I think I forgot to mention last week that Geminiman sent in a revised Blast Hornet map from Mega Man X 3.
Post by: Peardian on March 02, 2009, 12:35:22 am
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Post by: JonLeung on March 03, 2009, 08:35:24 am
Post by: Peardian on March 03, 2009, 09:51:19 am
Edit: Perhaps a Game Boy [& Color] Atlas?
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Post by: Maxim on March 03, 2009, 11:17:30 am
Post by: Will on March 03, 2009, 12:06:31 pm
Chapter 1: Sonic Surfer
Sonic Blast, Sonic Chaos, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic the Hedgehog Spinball, +Sonic Drift, +Sonic Drift 2, +Sonic Labyrinth, +Sonic Triple Trouble, +Tail's Adventure, +Tail's Patrol.
Chapter 2: Alex All-Times
Alex Kidd: The Lost Stars, Alex Kidd BMX Trial, Alex Kidd in High-Tech World, Alex Kidd in Miracle World, Alex Kidd in Shinobi World.
Chapter 3: Marvel Mania
Spider-man: Return of the Sinister Six, Spider-man Vs. The Kingpin, The Incredible Hulk, X-men, X-men 3: Mojo's World, +Captain America and the Avengers, +Spider-Man and the X-men: Arcade's Revenge, +X-men 2: Game Master's Legacy.
Chapter 4: Wonder Whirl
Wonder Boy, Wonder Boy in Monster Land, Wonder Boy in Monster World, Wonder Boy III - The Dragon's Trap.
Chapter 5: Disney Dizziness
Aladdin, Bonkers Wax Up!, Castle of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse, Land of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse, Legend of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse, Mickey's Ultimate Challenge, Lucky Dime Caper starring Donald Duck, Deep Duck Trouble starring Donald Duck, The Jungle Book, The Lion King, +Ariel The Little Mermaid, +Talespin.
Chapter 6: Ninja Magic
Ninja Gaiden, +Ninja Gaiden
Chapter 7: Looney Tunes
Cheese Cat-astrophe starring Speedy Gonzalez, Daffy Duck in Hollywood, Taz-Mania, Taz: Escape from Mars, +Bugs Bunny in Crazy Castle, +Bugs Bunny in Double Trouble.
The '+' signs indicate Game Gear in addition to the SMS titles. I can't really think of an eighth chapter but all those chapters look quite vast. Does all that sound like a good idea?
Post by: JonLeung on March 03, 2009, 02:09:45 pm
Not sure that everyone is particularly fond of the good old monochrome Game Boy (other than, say, RyuMaster), so it could be extended to the Game Boy Color. Maybe even the Game Boy Advance?
I'm pretty sure all the Zelda games are mapped (just greyscale the Link's Awakening DX maps if you want Link's Awakening (non-DX) maps :P), even all the way up to The Minish Cap, and all have been honoured as Maps of the Month (even concluding this very month with The Minish Cap). And I'm pretty sure the Mega Man games are all mapped thanks to marioman's topic, with the exception of Mega Man & Bass (but we have the Super NES...er, Super Famicom version all mapped out). I guess maybe there won't be many left to map out. Well, there's Super Mario Bros. Deluxe... There's Ninja Gaiden Shadow and the TMNT games... Hmmm. I know there were three Game Boy TMNT games, but are they (and the later GBA games) any good? And where's the full map of Castlevania: Aria Of Sorrow? 0_0 Well, maybe we could leave the GBA games out of it, or at least for now, since technically the age of the GBA isn't over - at least not for another month, when the DSi with no GBA slot comes out and leads to the inevitable discontinuation of the DS Lite...
I know that Will's always up for a challenge, and has contributed a lot to this and the previous topic. What does Will - and the rest of you - think about the Game Boy? If there's not much interest in the Game Boy, we could always make topics about particular series, and the popularity of marioman's Mega Man topic is a testament to that.
I agree with Peardian that Kirby has not gotten much attention here. Where are Kirby's Dream Land 3 and Kirby: Super Star? And as for non-Nintendo series, I should be appalled, or at least surprised, at the lack of the Sonic The Hedgehog games. If Sonic is the guy who stood up against Super Mario and fared pretty well, then where are the Sonic fans who would be mapping his games? And Final Fantasy - seriously - we have a few games mapped, but very few of the "main-numbered" ones (other than a few overworld maps, big whoop). Admittedly it'd take a long while for someone to do them, especially with the kind of care they deserve (a la Grizzly's Secret Of Evermore, KingKuros's The 7th Saga, or Peardian's revisions of Super Mario RPG), but considering the rabid FF fanbase, I would've thought we would've seen more than we have by now. Unless they're all VII-and-onwards fanboys (you know my feelings towards them). Even so, FF VII and FF VIII have PC versions (which might be easier to map) and those two, along with FF IX, have prerendered backgrounds, so you'd expect even them to be mapped. At least VII, sheesh. The most overrated game ever and no fanboys have yet mapped it - or at least not shared with VGMaps? Maybe my "shut-the-frick-up-about-FF VII-and-play-something-else-it's-been-over-a-decade-like-seriously" attitude scared them away, but I honestly think it would be awesome to have maps of that game.
And other than the FFs, Squaresoft's other games, especially those on the Super NES, including Chrono Trigger and Secret Of Mana, deserve nice maps, but those may be tall orders. The recent release of Chrono Trigger on the DS and Secret Of Mana on the Wii Virtual Console ensure there would be interest...though I know that doesn't make it any easier.
Will, your zeal for a possible "Master System Game Atlas" is great - I'm sure Maxim has been and could be a great help in that regard, however, I'm not sure I agree with your choices of series. Sonic, Alex Kidd, and Wonder Boy, unquestionably, but most of the others...ehhh. But what do I know, I grew up with Nintendo. I'm not going to make a Master System topic because of my lack of familiarity with it and its games, but if you want to do that, you're more than welcome to.
But if chapter names are still necessary, I think they could use a bit of work. :P
Post by: Revned on March 03, 2009, 05:19:22 pm
I've also mapped the first couple of worlds of Kirby's Dreamland (two different times, I might add), but the levels all start to look the same and I just never got around to finishing it. Maybe one of these days...
Post by: TerraEsperZ on March 03, 2009, 06:11:35 pm
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Post by: Peardian on March 04, 2009, 01:24:21 pm
As for Kirby, the main reason that the SNES games haven't really been mapped is because they use some kind of heavy compression that make their savestates turn up gibberish in bgmapper. I know Raccoon Sam started mapping KDL2 for the Gameboy but gave up, but I might take a swing at it myself. I need an excuse to play the game again. :P
Of course, as it is my plate is already so full of Mario, and I really want to map the Stafy games in the future. Blah, so much to do and so little time.
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Post by: JonLeung on March 06, 2009, 08:30:08 am
Post by: JonLeung on March 06, 2009, 04:33:06 pm
Peardian: Apparently the Starfy series is coming to North America, so there will be more interest in the series!
Will: Were you going to make a Sega Master System topic?
Post by: Will on March 07, 2009, 12:42:26 am
Post by: JonLeung on March 08, 2009, 03:41:49 pm
Post by: Peardian on March 10, 2009, 11:47:56 am
Why? Because I mapped out the Mole Mountain minecart minigame! All the coin and mushroom locations are shown. The last room was especially time consuming because it used tile displacement (like in Yoshi's Island when you get dizzy) to create the very smooth slopes on the rails. I had to do it adjust the tiles myself.
So yeah, on to Booster Pass!
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Post by: JonLeung on March 10, 2009, 07:20:38 pm
This is about all I can do to celebrate MAR10 day this year.
Post by: JonLeung on March 11, 2009, 09:43:43 pm
Cute.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on March 11, 2009, 10:27:06 pm
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Post by: Peardian on March 12, 2009, 12:58:30 pm
And yes, I had forgotten about some of the silly things I had done with my maps. Kind of a shame they'll be replaced.
By the way, I've just mapped Star Hill! As of now, my progress in the game is equal to that of Wario Land 4! And both 64% at that! Hooray!
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Post by: JonLeung on March 14, 2009, 09:25:06 am
Maps of the rest of Mole Mountains all the way up to Monstro Town in Land's End (oh, hey, it's Culex!) from Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars by Peardian have been put up yesterday and today.
Post #150!
Post by: JonLeung on March 15, 2009, 01:26:30 pm
I remember when Peardian sent in a hand-drawn map of a segment of the Bean Valley's ascent. Now Peardian's able to make maps like the 3D ones in Paper Mario. Quite a difference time makes.
Post by: Peardian on March 16, 2009, 05:44:37 pm
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Post by: JonLeung on March 23, 2009, 04:31:15 pm
Post by: dbarrier54 on March 25, 2009, 04:19:32 pm
While the fourth Nintendo Power Player's Guide did focus on the Super NES, and was an incredible book at the time, it was meant to cover as many games as possible for the then-new Super NES and mostly had lots of tips and screenshots and the like. Some of the bigger games did have more than a couple pages and even had some maps (The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past's Light World map was clearly constructed using pasted-together photos, then Super Castlevania IV had some cool renditions, and then there was Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts and Final Fantasy II/IV) but it was certainly not what one would call an "atlas". This topic considers what games would've been in a "Super NES Game Atlas", had Nintendo Power ever made it.
There are certainly some new franchises in this era and lots of other games worth mapping (such as all of those RPGs!) but imagining a "Super NES Game Atlas" as a mere continuation of the NES Game Atlas, the focus in this topic would be on the original eight franchises - though it's been reduced to seven. All of them have had less "main" games than on the NES - Zelda and Mega Man have the same number only if you include the spin-offs, and Mario has much more because of them.
I expect, as always, that people will map what they like when they feel like it, but for what it's worth, this would be the list of games as far as I know.
Status: INCOMPLETE
only these game remains
Yoshi's Island
and Super Mario RPG (Booster Hill) Remains
Chapter 1: Mario Mania
- Super Mario All-Stars
- Super Mario World [-] Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
- +Mario & Wario (J)
- +Super Mario Kart
- +Yoshi's Safari
[-] +Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars
Chapter 2: Amazing Zelda
- The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past
- +BS Zelda (J)
Chapter 3: Mega Mechanical Mayhem
- Mega Man VII
- Mega Man & Bass (J)
- +Mega Man's Soccer
- +Mega Man X
- +Mega Man X 2
- +Mega Man X 3
Chapter 4: Tropical Adventure
[X] NO STARTROPICS GAMES! :(
Chapter 5: Disney Dizziness
- The Magical Quest: Starring Mickey Mouse
- The Great Circus Mystery: Starring Mickey & Minnie
- The Magical Quest 3: Starring Mickey & Donald (J)
- Goof Troop
- Aladdin
- Bonkers
Chapter 6: Ninja Magic
- Ninja Gaiden Trilogy
Chapter 7: Turtles In Trouble
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles In Time
- +Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters
Chapter 8: Castles Of Horror
- Super Castlevania IV
- Castlevania: Dracula X
Post by: The Ultimate Koopa on March 25, 2009, 04:54:39 pm
E.g. "Nintendo 64 atlas".
Super Mario 64 is the only game that's incomplete
-- you'd stop about here--
-- however YOU have to do this kind of thing --
Mario Kart 64 = complete
a
big
list
of
every
N64
game
in
the
world
with
the
word
"complete"
next
to
it
which
is
highly
unnecessary
We KNOW what's incomplete and what's not. Can you just STOP pestering us, please?
Post by: Revned on March 25, 2009, 06:54:47 pm
Post by: marioman on March 25, 2009, 08:09:12 pm
dbarrier SHOULD HAVE said:
Super Mario RPG should not be marked as complete on the list because the Booster Hill map has a problem.
See?
Post by: Revned on March 25, 2009, 08:39:33 pm
Post by: Peardian on March 25, 2009, 10:24:27 pm
On that note, just finished Barrel Volcano map. Gotta love the Axem Rangers. <3
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Post by: Will on March 25, 2009, 11:43:36 pm
So it won't be too long I'm sure before Bowser's Keep and the Smithy Factory is finished.
Post by: JonLeung on March 31, 2009, 11:30:38 pm
Post by: Revned on April 01, 2009, 02:43:38 am
Post by: Maxim on April 01, 2009, 02:44:46 am
Post by: The Ultimate Koopa on April 01, 2009, 09:42:02 am
Post by: JonLeung on April 05, 2009, 01:45:28 pm
Peardian has contributed Barrel Volcano, Bowser's Keep (the revisited version), and the Debug Room from Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars. Nearly done!
Peardian has also contributed the revamped 1-1 from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. That's exciting, can't want to see it all revamped!
Post by: JonLeung on April 09, 2009, 06:02:55 pm
It's so much better to only have 44 maps instead of 360+ or however many there were before. And it's another Super NES RPG mapped with so many other helpful details! Love 'em. :D
Peardian, I'm guessing that you will now turn your attention to Paper Mario and Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island?
Post by: marioman on April 09, 2009, 07:24:29 pm
Please Correct the following error(s) before Continuing
Booster Hill not mapped
Oh, I mean, good job Peardian. *hides*
Post by: JonLeung on May 16, 2009, 02:28:12 pm
(Still a few more stages before "Touch Fuzzy, Get Dizzy"...)
Post by: JonLeung on August 08, 2009, 10:03:48 am
Post by: JonLeung on October 24, 2009, 03:10:18 pm
Anyway, Peardian has submitted a revamped 1-5: Hop! Hop! Donut Lifts from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#SuperMarioWorld2YoshisIsland).
Post by: JonLeung on November 15, 2009, 07:10:46 pm
Soon we'll be touching Fuzzy and getting dizzy! :D
Post by: JonLeung on November 17, 2009, 07:59:28 pm
(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6004/touchdizzygetfuzzy.png) (https://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/index.htm#SuperMarioWorld2YoshisIsland)
I finally got around to fixing up the first post in this topic, I think...
Didn't realize the Star Trek coincidence until later...didn't it also just come out on DVD/Blu-Ray on the same day? I'm not a Star Trek fan by far but that picture with the Tribbles or whatever is one of the pictures that comes up when you search for "fuzzy" on Google ImageSearch.
Post by: JonLeung on November 19, 2009, 03:51:38 pm
(Though technically we actually have fewer maps when these revised ones are put up because the single maps replace multiple smaller maps of individual rooms. But everyone would agree it's better this way.)
Post by: Rew MK-2 on November 21, 2009, 11:54:06 am
Post by: The Ultimate Koopa on November 24, 2009, 08:11:35 pm
Also, yeah, I'd love to see Extra 1, as well as things like The Impossible? Maze and Castles -- Masterpiece Set.
Going way ahead to I believe 6-5, is the cave actually as loooooooooong as it's name suggests? I know scrolling makes a stage seem longer than it is.
Post by: Peardian on November 24, 2009, 09:23:07 pm
And, like it says in my progress topic (which I keep constantly up to date), I'm going to do the GBA secret stages after the original levels are taken care of. After all, you can only unlock them by beating Big Bad Baby Bowser first. :P
And yes, the level is quite long. If you were to put it all side-by-side and straightened out the loop in the first room, it would extend to around over three times the maximum room width, over 12,000 pixels. ;)
Post by: JonLeung on May 03, 2011, 06:02:10 pm
(EDIT: What a coincidence...I noticed the previous post said "Poochy Ain't Stupid", and today's Brawl In The Family comic features Poochy not being stupid (http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/2011/05/03/330-good-dog-2/). Whoa.)
Post by: Rew on May 04, 2011, 09:22:54 pm
Post by: JonLeung on June 03, 2011, 08:40:43 pm
Post by: JonLeung on June 15, 2011, 10:00:57 pm
I agree with him that Naval Piranha is one of the cooler Mario bosses...definitely one of the coolest ones in this game (even if it can be killed quite easily (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDszKc0oW9Q)). It's probably cool because it's a giant variation of a very classic Mario enemy type, unlike most in this game...while yet not being too weird like Petey Piranha in Super Mario Sunshine, for example. I like to play as Naval Piranha in Tetris Attack for some reason, too.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 15, 2011, 10:14:19 pm
Post by: JonLeung on June 16, 2011, 07:58:41 pm
Post by: JonLeung on January 28, 2012, 04:28:39 pm
Anyway, coincidentally, I also put up all of Veil Of Darkness (PC) today, which also includes an area called "Lake Shore". That's not Super NES-related, but I thought the "Lake Shore" thing was a neat coincidence.
Post by: JonLeung on March 31, 2012, 03:48:47 pm
Just less than a week shy of four years ago was when this topic was first made. (I know we had some of those maps before I made this topic, though.) Has it really been that long? In any case, VGMaps.com has all of these maps up now.
Of course, there are still lots yet to be mapped from the Super NES realm. There are other franchises born in the Super NES era that weren't listed here (since the intention was to continue the NES Game Atlas). Or game franchises that became big (or bigger) during this time. And we don't yet have complete maps of these. Such as Donkey Kong Country and 2 and 3. Kirby's Dream Land 3 and Kirby: Super Star. Final Fantasy IV, V and VI, and several other RPGs. I look forward to when all of those are mapped out too.
Post by: Will on May 09, 2012, 03:29:19 am