Post by: JonLeung on May 16, 2008, 09:01:50 am
Note that I will not necessarily lead such a project, despite doing so for past years' projects. (Perhaps I'm still burnt out from the last one, but in any case I don't want this to be just my thing.) Seeing as how an April Fools' joke reflects on this site, I still have to like the idea enough and approve it. :P
Post by: marioman on May 16, 2008, 04:05:02 pm
The supposedly canceled game for the DS has finally been leaked. The game was mostly finished, but Nintendo had to cancel it because <insert reason here>. The game takes place after Metroid Fusion, and one of the screens in Metroid Prime 3 hints about a "Project Dread" that is being worked on by the Space Pirates. Maybe the revival of the Queen Metroid?
I would say that this would be a fairly good April Fools project. Every Metroid fan wants this game to come out. There wouldn't be all kinds of dungeons or overworlds like OoH. Just a thought...
Post by: Revned on May 16, 2008, 04:36:48 pm
Post by: RT 55J on May 16, 2008, 05:12:30 pm
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Post by: marioman on May 16, 2008, 05:58:13 pm
Post by: RT 55J on May 16, 2008, 06:42:07 pm
And personally, I prefer the idea of Metroidvania starring Samus Belmondo.
Also, the more I think about it the more appealing the prospect of a curling game becomes. I've even come up with a good title: Wayne Middaugh's Chip & Lie. :)
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Post by: JonLeung on May 16, 2008, 09:30:52 pm
I like the idea of Metroid Dread...following in the vein of The Legend Of Zelda: Oracle Of ____, that is, being a canned Nintendo portable game of a major franchise that at least some gamers know about. Being for the DS gives it a more "current" status and hence one that would be more popular than for a fake GBC game. And we wouldn't have to come up with a title! :)
Now, I said I liked the idea. I don't know how feasible it is. The thing is, I know how much work was involved in Oracle of Hours. And that was with Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons fully mapped, plus, the idea was that it would link with those, so it was easy to get away with using resources from those games.
Metroid Dread would probably require more unique tiles, and even if it could look good as a chopshop mishmash of Metroid: Zero Mission, Super Metroid, and Metroid Fusion, the scary thing is that we don't have fully ripped maps from any of those games! >_< Not that it would be hard to get where you needed to go and take a screen capture, but it sure would be handy if we had everything readily available already.
While not impossible, it would have to require a team of dedicated mappers. So would any project, I suppose, but Metroid always has this level of quality that I think it could easily not look that great. I'm sure I would love Metroid Dread as another set of fake maps, but only if it's done well. But if done well, it could be greater than Oracle of Hours!
However, looking at how people weren't 100% keen on Oracle of Ages the first year we tried it, that it just ended up being my own thing, I hope we have enough enthusiasm and dedication to see this through as a team effort, whatever it will be.
Oh, and RT 55J, curling, what? Maps? For a rink? >_<
Don't let my disinterest in sports games discourage more ideas, though, people...
Post by: RT 55J on May 16, 2008, 09:49:46 pm
Cool, marioman!
I like the idea of Metroid Dread...following in the vein of The Legend Of Zelda: Oracle Of ____, that is, being a canned Nintendo portable game of a major franchise that at least some gamers know about. Being for the DS gives it a more "current" status and hence one that would be more popular than for a fake GBC game. And we wouldn't have to come up with a title! :)
Now, I said I liked the idea. I don't know how feasible it is. The thing is, I know how much work was involved in Oracle of Hours. And that was with Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons fully mapped, plus, the idea was that it would link with those, so it was easy to get away with using resources from those games.
Metroid Dread would probably require more unique tiles, and even if it could look good as a chopshop mishmash of Metroid: Zero Mission, Super Metroid, and Metroid Fusion, the scary thing is that we don't have fully ripped maps from any of those games! >_< Not that it would be hard to get where you needed to go and take a screen capture, but it sure would be handy if we had everything readily available already.
While not impossible, it would have to require a team of dedicated mappers. So would any project, I suppose, but Metroid always has this level of quality that I think it could easily not look that great. I'm sure I would love Metroid Dread as another set of fake maps, but only if it's done well. But if done well, it could be greater than Oracle of Hours!
However, looking at how people weren't 100% keen on Oracle of Ages the first year we tried it, that it just ended up being my own thing, I hope we have enough enthusiasm and dedication to see this through as a team effort, whatever it will be.
Oh, and RT 55J, curling, what? Maps? For a rink? >_<
Don't let my disinterest in sports games discourage more ideas, though, people...
I like the idea of Metroid Dread...following in the vein of The Legend Of Zelda: Oracle Of ____, that is, being a canned Nintendo portable game of a major franchise that at least some gamers know about. Being for the DS gives it a more "current" status and hence one that would be more popular than for a fake GBC game. And we wouldn't have to come up with a title! :)
Now, I said I liked the idea. I don't know how feasible it is. The thing is, I know how much work was involved in Oracle of Hours. And that was with Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons fully mapped, plus, the idea was that it would link with those, so it was easy to get away with using resources from those games.
Metroid Dread would probably require more unique tiles, and even if it could look good as a chopshop mishmash of Metroid: Zero Mission, Super Metroid, and Metroid Fusion, the scary thing is that we don't have fully ripped maps from any of those games! >_< Not that it would be hard to get where you needed to go and take a screen capture, but it sure would be handy if we had everything readily available already.
While not impossible, it would have to require a team of dedicated mappers. So would any project, I suppose, but Metroid always has this level of quality that I think it could easily not look that great. I'm sure I would love Metroid Dread as another set of fake maps, but only if it's done well. But if done well, it could be greater than Oracle of Hours!
However, looking at how people weren't 100% keen on Oracle of Ages the first year we tried it, that it just ended up being my own thing, I hope we have enough enthusiasm and dedication to see this through as a team effort, whatever it will be.
Oh, and RT 55J, curling, what? Maps? For a rink? >_<
Don't let my disinterest in sports games discourage more ideas, though, people...
I was thinking of something more along the lines of a real time (or turn-based) strategy game that has little little do do with curling other than the fact that it stars a curler. You know, sort of like the other games I listed.
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Post by: Revned on May 16, 2008, 10:31:32 pm
Post by: Will on May 17, 2008, 06:19:58 am
Post by: Will on May 17, 2008, 06:33:29 am
IBM PC Windows XP, Vista
Apple Macintosh
Nintendo DS
Nintendo Wii
I do look forward to hearing more.
Post by: marioman on May 17, 2008, 06:45:28 am
the scary thing is that we don't have fully ripped maps from any of those games! >_< Not that it would be hard to get where you needed to go and take a screen capture, but it sure would be handy if we had everything readily available already.
There is a utility called Zero Fission that will allow you to edit maps and dump tiles for both GBA Metroid games. I am sure that there is a similar utility for Super Metroid.
Post by: Revned on May 17, 2008, 11:37:02 am
JonLeung Said:
There is a utility called Zero Fission that will allow you to edit maps and dump tiles for both GBA Metroid games. I am sure that there is a similar utility for Super Metroid.
...the scary thing is that we don't have fully ripped maps from any of those games! >_< Not that it would be hard to get where you needed to go and take a screen capture, but it sure would be handy if we had everything readily available already.
There is a utility called Zero Fission that will allow you to edit maps and dump tiles for both GBA Metroid games. I am sure that there is a similar utility for Super Metroid.
Don't be so sure. Level editors that display everything are nontrivial.
Post by: RT 55J on May 18, 2008, 02:08:20 pm
JonLeung Said:
There is a utility called Zero Fission that will allow you to edit maps and dump tiles for both GBA Metroid games. I am sure that there is a similar utility for Super Metroid.
...the scary thing is that we don't have fully ripped maps from any of those games! >_< Not that it would be hard to get where you needed to go and take a screen capture, but it sure would be handy if we had everything readily available already.
There is a utility called Zero Fission that will allow you to edit maps and dump tiles for both GBA Metroid games. I am sure that there is a similar utility for Super Metroid.
It's called SMILE.
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Post by: marioman on May 19, 2008, 03:57:49 pm
Don't be so sure. Level editors that display everything are nontrivial.
I made that statement based on the age and popularity of the game. If things really got bad, the entire game has been mapped by Wilee. However, that SMILE app that RT-55J found would probably do the trick.
Post by: Revned on May 19, 2008, 06:10:30 pm
marioman Said:
It's called SMILE.
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I am sure that there is a similar utility for Super Metroid.
It's called SMILE.
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Curse my skepticism!
Post by: DarkWolf on May 20, 2008, 03:17:45 pm
I think using IBM PC or Apple Mac would be silly. Nintendo's games have very rarely been legitimately ported to a PC or Apple platform.
Post by: Revned on May 20, 2008, 05:02:34 pm
Post by: marioman on May 20, 2008, 08:17:55 pm
Post by: RT 55J on May 21, 2008, 04:28:39 pm
BTW this link might be helpful.
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Post by: Revned on May 21, 2008, 04:59:20 pm
Bah humbug. Maybe I should stop posting in this topic.
Post by: Will on May 22, 2008, 03:03:43 am
Post by: JonLeung on May 22, 2008, 07:14:20 am
I liked the SMBSS as a kid, but I don't know about this idea. It almost seems like this idea is too dependent on people being fans of the show. Do we have enough fans here? Would gamers these days be enough of fans to remember the cool episodes? Doing something based on Captain N seems like a slightly better idea IMO, but probably not by much...
Though it does give me an idea. How about a NES or Super NES-based Super Smash Bros.? It would be far less work and a fair bit of fun to create 40some arenas, even if they were, like, 2 x 2 screens each... It would allow for some creativity, yet be easier as things are meant to look like they were adapted from other games, be more flexible in allowing other people to join in or drop out during the course of working on it, and it wouldn't be a disaster if it weren't completely done (more like if we didn't have the ideal number of stages) by the end of it... (With the timing, maybe this would've been a better joke for this year...)
(And if we wanted it to be current, we could try for a DS-based Super Smash Bros.! Though people might expect it to have 3D N64-like graphics...)
You'd almost need to have each arena looked over by everyone else, though. Quality control might be necessary, as it might be too easy. Maybe we'd throw in some kind of story/adventure mode if we wanted some challenge...
In an ideal situation, (that is, if we had the time, resources, but mostly dedication) I still really like the Metroid Dread idea, but in terms of feasibility, some kind of 2D Smash Bros. would work better.
But what do you guys think?
Post by: Revned on May 22, 2008, 05:20:33 pm
Post by: Will on May 23, 2008, 02:21:18 am
Post by: marioman on May 23, 2008, 05:55:33 am
Post by: JonLeung on May 23, 2008, 07:05:03 am
You're right about how the poll seems to show my Super Kid Icarus as being unloved, marioman, though it might have to do with the general unpopularity of Kid Icarus compared to the other franchises involved.
Maybe Super Smash Bros. is a bit too simple. And with Will, apparently controversial, heh. (News flash to Will Mallia: yes, Sonic is a Sega character, and Pok?mon has made Nintendo more money than you'll ever see in your life. If you denounce Sonic because he's Sega, that only makes Pok?mon more appropriate for Smash Bros. :P) I still like the Smash Bros. idea, especially to fall back on if whatever project we choose is deemed too difficult or not worth the trouble, but now I'm leaning towards Metroid Dread again.
I'm not sure how we'll eventually decide. Do we want more people until a clear preference comes up? Do we put it to a poll? My feeling is that whatever we choose to do, I hope there will be enough dedication from those that made that choice. I don't remember if we actually decided on Zelda: Oracle of Hours or if I just made the choice for everyone, 'cause in the end I was the only one I could expect to work on it, once it became it was too big for others to want to invest in it.
I hope the projects can be a fun group thing that can be enjoyable as we work on it, not just a thing for me to milk some more hits out of the April month. That being said, do we go for something simple or challenging? We also want to like the finished project for it to be worth the inevitable obstacles we'll encounter along the way.
Post by: marioman on May 23, 2008, 12:53:15 pm
You're right about how the poll seems to show my Super Kid Icarus as being unloved, marioman, though it might have to do with the general unpopularity of Kid Icarus compared to the other franchises involved.
Nothing personal by the way. Just an observation...
Post by: Revned on May 23, 2008, 06:11:08 pm
Post by: RT 55J on May 24, 2008, 03:44:10 pm
Also, it's a pity that nobody is interested in Will's SMBSS idea or my curling RTS idea. :(
Metroid Dread could be somewhat feasible if we had a good pixel artist. We could import the graphics into Super Metroid and use SMILE as an ad hoc map making tool. But honestly, I'd rather do a crossover like Metroidvania* than Dread.
If all else fails, we could do a "sequel" to an NES game akin to 2007's Super Kid Icarus. I wouldn't mind Metal Storm or Blaster Master getting the SNES treatment they deserved.
In any case, I would prefer it if we decided on what we're going to do sooner rather than later.
*Bolded for emphasis.
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Post by: Revned on May 24, 2008, 04:48:09 pm
Post by: RT 55J on May 24, 2008, 06:12:38 pm
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Post by: JonLeung on May 24, 2008, 06:22:43 pm
We all know why I wanted to mix Mega Man X and Metal Gear Solid (interesting boss concepts, blah blah blah). I've always thought Mega Man Solid X: Guns Of The Mavericks would have worked better if Mega Man (X) fans and Metal Gear (Solid) fans were the same people. Most people I know are only one or the other but not both. Perhaps, if this site were a more general video games web site, and not one about maps, we could've presented bustin98's artwork alone as supposed concept art and the point wouldn't've been missed. I remember him saying his friend who worked at a games store printed off the artwork and fooled some people there.
"Metroidvania" and/or "Castleroid" have been terms used for the genre of games, I'm trying to envision what a game that was a mix of the series would look like. It truly isn't believable; at least with MMSX:GotM you could see each map to see bustin98's rendition of another character, whereas I don't know that we'd necessarily want to render a bunch of areas in Metroidvania when the "joke" is already over. Unless you want artwork of crossed bosses like "Death-Ridley" but then the maps become secondary again (and besides, there aren't many other memorable bosses).
On a not-quite-related note, a steampunk version of Samus's suit would be interesting...
Post by: marioman on May 24, 2008, 09:06:24 pm
Post by: JonLeung on May 24, 2008, 10:43:10 pm
But you're right, though, technology doesn't change Dracula's castle much, and a Metroid theme mixed in would certainly be a jarring juxtaposition or something. Even if it could look interesting, believable or not, would it be worth the effort? I think that's the real question.
Post by: Will on May 25, 2008, 06:36:18 am
NES Super Smash Bros
SNES Metroidvania/Castleroid
Super Mario Bros. Super Show (Discarded)
Why not try a Sega title for a change? Unless of course Sega is not that popular, but you might want to try to map a Ninja Gaiden or Wonder Boy game. Ninja Gaiden is one of the site's favourites is it not? Perhaps this could succeed.
Post by: DarkWolf on May 25, 2008, 11:34:34 am
Post by: RT 55J on May 25, 2008, 02:25:18 pm
You can't expect us to break a tradition after 4 years. :P
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Post by: marioman on May 25, 2008, 10:02:25 pm
That's precisely why I think it would be such an awesome idea.
I don't know. I see it as the same thing as making a game called RPG or 2.5D sidescroller. It is a genre as opposed to an actual game. I think that Metroid Dread would be more focused. (Besides, I don't think that Mother Dracula would be a believable final boss. :P)
Post by: Will on May 26, 2008, 01:50:03 am
What April Fool game should come for 2009?
1 - NES Super Smash Bros.
2 - SNES Metroidvania/Castleroid
3 - SNES/GBA Super Mario Bros. Super Show
4 - A New Ninja Gaiden game
5 - A New Kid Icarus game
6 - A different idea
7 - I don't care for April Fools maps
I think this voting poll will ease the matter a great deal and the conclusion will be at its peak once the voting has taken place. I hope that works out well.
Post by: JonLeung on May 26, 2008, 06:55:50 am
Post by: marioman on May 27, 2008, 06:03:10 am
RT-55J said:
Metroid Dread could be somewhat feasible if we had a good pixel artist.
You could probably find one on a Metroid fansite like Metroid Fan Mission or the Metroid Galaxy Guide.
Post by: Will on May 27, 2008, 01:53:01 pm
Post by: JonLeung on June 02, 2008, 07:22:43 pm
Maybe we could do a smaller project (like the Super NES version of Super Smash Bros.), get that prepared for April 2009, so that we can take our time to make sure that a bigger project like Metroid Dread can be in good shape for April 2010? In a sense, that's kind of like what happened with LoZ:OoH, except that Super Kid Icarus was more of a last-minute effort...but at least came out presentable and on time, buying me time for LoZ:OoH (though I wasn't sure about returning to it until December).
Oh, yeah, I should probably change the poll one of these days... >_>
Post by: RT 55J on June 02, 2008, 07:54:49 pm
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Post by: JonLeung on June 02, 2008, 08:09:37 pm
The question is dedication, which is why we have to be sure we want to do this. It'll be easy to figure out the details for consistency and coherence once we're going.
When I'm not sure what I want to do, I can't yet expect everyone else to commit. I think all I've said so far is that I'm leaning toward Metroid Dread but I'm still concerned about who else is/isn't on board. But you're right, if we all waffle because we're waiting for anyone else to make the first step then no one will commit. :P
Post by: RT 55J on June 02, 2008, 10:01:46 pm
1. How will the game map be structured?
- Will the maps be directly and cleanly connected (ie Super Metroid) or not (MZM, Fusion)?
- Will the areas be relatively small (SotN) or large (SM)?
- Will the areas be on one big planet or on several smaller and self-contained planets?
2. What system will we pretend the game is on?
- What limitations (tile/screen/palette size), if any, will we place upon ourselves to make this seem realistic?
3. Is there a possibility of the game being released before we finish?
- Should an alternative, but similar, project be considered?
4. What upgrades would Samus earn?
- How would these upgrades effect her progression in the game?
5. How will the map itself be assembled?
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Post by: JonLeung on June 04, 2008, 05:58:52 pm
If we move forward with Metroid Dread, at least any graphics or ideas from Metroid Fusion that we might consider borrowing won't be a concern for much longer...rocktyt (who did The Legend Of Zelda: The Minish Cap maps) will soon be sending in maps for that. Awesome.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 04, 2008, 06:59:07 pm
Good questions...
If we move forward with Metroid Dread, at least any graphics or ideas from Metroid Fusion that we might consider borrowing won't be a concern for much longer...rocktyt (who did The Legend Of Zelda: The Minish Cap maps) will soon be sending in maps for that. Awesome.
If we move forward with Metroid Dread, at least any graphics or ideas from Metroid Fusion that we might consider borrowing won't be a concern for much longer...rocktyt (who did The Legend Of Zelda: The Minish Cap maps) will soon be sending in maps for that. Awesome.
Woohoo! Another map project I can finally officially cancel without feeling guilty about it (Metroid Fusion) :)
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Post by: marioman on June 04, 2008, 07:13:35 pm
That's great about the Fusion maps. Maybe rocktyt will map Zero Mission soon?
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 04, 2008, 07:35:20 pm
As for Zero Mission, aren't there already two sets of (nearly identical) maps for it? It's just that none have been submitted to the site yet. You can check out Wileee and Edsword's map set at http://www.screenshotmaps.com
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Current projects: ?????? (Gen), Sonic The Hedgehog (Gen), Sonic CD (Sega CD), Mega Man Zero (GBA), Battletoads (NES), Bucky O'Hare (NES)
Post by: marioman on June 04, 2008, 07:46:24 pm
Post by: Revned on June 04, 2008, 08:43:52 pm
As for the PNGs, I asked Ed for them years ago, and persisted for a year before giving up. He's probably collected them all by now, he just hasn't uploaded them. I hope he does sometime, but I'm not optimistic.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on June 04, 2008, 08:46:48 pm
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Current projects: ?????? (Gen), Sonic The Hedgehog (Gen), Sonic CD (Sega CD), Mega Man Zero (GBA), Battletoads (NES), Bucky O'Hare (NES)
Post by: JonLeung on June 07, 2008, 03:16:49 pm
As of just a few minutes ago, the full maps for Metroid: Zero Mission and Metroid Fusion are up, thanks to rocktyt and zerofighter. The maps are pretty sweet.
So we just need...hmmm...Metroid Prime Pinball and Super Metroid to finish off the 2D Metroid series. Super Metroid would really be nice.
Who do I have to talk to to get the Super Metroid maps that already exist somewhere in PNG format?
I guess we're kind of straying off topic...
Post by: Revned on June 07, 2008, 03:40:17 pm
Post by: marioman on June 07, 2008, 04:07:02 pm
Maybe rocktyt will map Zero Mission soon?
JonLeung said:
As of just a few minutes ago, the full maps for Metroid: Zero Mission and Metroid Fusion are up, thanks to rocktyt and zerofighter.
</psychic> Nice!
Post by: JonLeung on July 14, 2008, 05:46:39 pm
Then again, I think Nintendo's press conference is tomorrow, so we'll see by then. It will make it an easy decision to NOT do a Metroid Dread if the real deal is coming.
Post by: Will on July 14, 2008, 10:21:52 pm
Post by: JonLeung on July 16, 2008, 08:25:53 pm
Assuming there's still enough interest for this to go ahead, anyway.
Regardless of whether or not we do it, I sent wileee a friendly email. I let him in on the secret but told him that in any case, high-quality 1:1 .PNGs of full Super Metroid maps would be more than welcome here on VGMaps.com.
Post by: JonLeung on August 08, 2008, 07:14:21 am
Jeod's insistence to make a game out of my Oracle Of Hours is both flattering and awkward. After all the time I spent on the maps as they are, everything he'd have to add (NPCs, sidequests, caves, even stuff as simple as enemies) seems like a deviation. Not that he would be butchering it, but it's just really weird, IMO. (It's like if you spent a lot of your time painting a picture and when it gets put on display, someone else is there explaining that it's something else than what you intended it to be.) And when he's not planning to hack a ROM to do it, and rather recreate Link/enemy physics and behaviours from scratch, I can't help but feel that it won't feel right even in the unlikely case that he finishes it. :P
My point being that his success/failure will determine whether or not I allow fan games based on any of my works ever again.
So, how about that Metroid Dread? :P Or do we have any other ideas? I can't believe it's August already, so the seriousness of this will be going up soon. I know who's out, but who's still in, and how much of that is dependent on what exactly?
I know I'm asking a lot. Believe me, I did Oracle Of Hours, and even a fraction of that was a lot of work. I keep saying I didn't want to be the only one doing the next one, but it may be that case again. Perhaps Oracle Of Hours raised the bar too high, but at the same time I don't want to do something too too simple like pretending the site got hacked or making VGMaps.com look like it got taken over by Virginia Garrett Maps or something. >_<
Post by: Will on August 09, 2008, 01:12:44 pm
Other ideas, hmm. How about maps of games based on films that never were released. Perhaps Alien, Aliens or Alien Resurrection. If you haven't watched the films, the title maybe confusing. Or what about seqeuels to the NES version of Jurassic Park, I enjoyed that game.
I am definitely in, but I seem to be the only one who planned ahead first. Perhaps soon other members will gain ideas and make suggestion, what with the weekly increasing submissions
Post by: marioman on August 21, 2008, 06:16:24 pm
Post by: JonLeung on August 22, 2008, 06:54:36 am
As EGM's (and others') #1 best game ever, you'd think other people on the Internet would've gotten around to mapping Super Metroid...
(Or maybe everyone thinks wileee/Edsword will one day release their high-quality .PNGs so no one has bothered to try, since it would be a daunting task, best game ever or not.)
Post by: Revned on August 22, 2008, 07:29:01 am
I emailed wileee a while back but got no response. I don't know if he's ignoring me, or busy, or what. I seem to recall his web sites haven't been updated recently, so he could be anywhere.
As EGM's (and others) #1 best game ever, you'd think other people on the Internet would've gotten around to mapping Super Metroid...
(Or maybe everyone thinks wileee/Edsword will one day release their high-quality .PNGs so no one has bothered to try, since it would be a daunting task, best game ever or not.)
As EGM's (and others) #1 best game ever, you'd think other people on the Internet would've gotten around to mapping Super Metroid...
(Or maybe everyone thinks wileee/Edsword will one day release their high-quality .PNGs so no one has bothered to try, since it would be a daunting task, best game ever or not.)
That's exactly why I never tried it.
Post by: TerraEsperZ on August 22, 2008, 11:07:05 am
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Post by: JonLeung on August 26, 2008, 05:58:20 pm
He's agreed to get me the maps of Super Metroid! Yay! Don't know how soon, but he said he'll upload them to some place for me to retreive and then host on VGMaps.com. :D
Can't believe it's the end of August already. I'm going to have to free up some time if it turns out I'll be making Metroid Dread by myself. It's too bad we couldn't find something enough people wanted to do, but I understand how it is.
EDIT: I just finished Final Fantasy XII...I suppose that helps with the time issue... >_>
Post by: Will on August 27, 2008, 11:15:36 pm
Post by: JonLeung on September 13, 2008, 03:09:16 pm
It's not rocket science to modify and/or palette-swap existing Metroid game tiles, but for it to look convincing there should be some "new" stuff. More than just a little bit, even.
I liked making the custom sprites for Mega Man Solid X: Guns Of The Mavericks, but that was mostly Frankensteining some parts together. Someone with real art skill doing this would be nice.
So if I focus on the layout, would someone be able to make up some stuff?
Post by: JonLeung on September 25, 2008, 08:00:20 am
I'm all up for doing this all by myself again, but after Metroid Dread (which I feel ready to tackle and look forward to doing) I will probably be questioning the viability of elaborate April Fools' jokes in the future. If I start this in October, we're talking about taking a half-year of my time (well, time that isn't occupied by, you know, real life) that might be better spent on potential revamps on the site...or at least tweaks and nips and tucks I always mean to do or try...or the new ads I wanted to make...etc....
Anyway, enough about that. I'm still looking forward to if anyone can contribute original sprites and backgrounds, and perhaps the title too, since I have little skill in original art...there's six months, so whoever does can take their time...
Post by: TerraEsperZ on September 25, 2008, 10:48:44 am
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Current projects: Metal Storm (NES), Clock Tower (SNES), Ristar-The Shooting Star (Gen), Sonic The Hedgehog (Gen), Sonic CD (Sega CD), Mega Man Zero (GBA), Battletoads (NES), Bucky O'Hare (NES)
Post by: JonLeung on September 25, 2008, 11:25:39 am
And real life (school, work, family, etc.) always comes first. Even the need to relax comes before VGMaps.com. Other than weekend updates, which take up a good chunk of my weekend as it is, VGMaps.com is hard to keep as priority. See how long it's taken me to still get nowhere on revamping the site, etc.?
Sure, I'd like to see Clock Tower for the Super NES (I was thinking about making time for that game), but obviously that can wait.
Post by: JonLeung on October 02, 2008, 08:10:16 am
If I can dedicate a whole week, discplined to work only on either this April Fool's joke or the site revamp, I'm sure I'll make considerable progress on either one.
Post by: JonLeung on December 02, 2008, 08:44:47 am
I absolutely hate the letter R when it comes to hand-drawn pixel art. It often seems like there's not enough room, and once you get a decent curve, the diagonal lower-right line never seems to be at the right angle. Every time you fix it by shifting it a couple pixels over, it looks worse in another area. When you work with a small pixel area the slightest shift or addition/subtraction of pixels can change angles considerably noticeably.
Post by: marioman on December 02, 2008, 01:27:00 pm
By the way, did Wileee/Edsword ever get those Super Metroid maps to you? It has been a number of months since anything has been said about them - just wondering what the latest word is.
Post by: JonLeung on December 02, 2008, 01:51:34 pm
Those Super Metroid maps sure would be helpful...
Post by: Revned on December 02, 2008, 03:27:10 pm
Post by: JonLeung on December 06, 2008, 04:04:14 pm
Pluto...Makemake...Haumea...
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Post by: RT 55J on December 06, 2008, 06:10:02 pm
- dlakg -> Dlakug -> Dlaguk -> Dlagic
- osduyhg -> Osdyug -> Ozdug
- cmvhgrf -> Cumvigerf -> Comvigger
- wpfuiogyh -> Whipfwiog -> Whipfrog
- tyuryh -> Toorie
- zuiglkas -> Zweegle-kas -> Zweelkas -> Zwilkaz
- xlkghkf -> Xliguk -> Xelguk
Granted, the method is rather hit or miss.
You might be better off just anagramming "April Fools Day" again. :P
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"its a good day to do what has to be done by me and help my brother to defeat the enemys" - John Freeman
Post by: JonLeung on December 06, 2008, 06:27:40 pm
Think of that as a hint. ;)
Anyway, I don't think I'll be using your "Whipfrog"...but I have an idea on how I might come up with some area names...you'll see.
Post by: JonLeung on December 16, 2008, 02:52:20 pm
Post by: marioman on December 16, 2008, 05:09:38 pm
Post by: JonLeung on January 01, 2009, 11:25:33 am
Though I wonder how many people will notice, once it's fully "dressed". As it is, it's just a bunch of green squares against a pink background...
Post by: JonLeung on January 05, 2009, 02:41:39 pm
Post by: JonLeung on January 27, 2009, 08:06:35 am
Still looks quite feasible, even with eight areas. I'm close to halfway done the third area, which means it's ten days for each remaining area. It was slow at first (selecting, cutting, making, and modifying tiles, and that sort of miscellaneous preliminary stuff), hence why I'm only where I am now despite seriously starting in early December, I think, but it should speed up as I go. I don't actually expect that the last area should take ten days (it'll be more like Tourian than Chozodia, no items or fancy paths to route), so I might have a couple extra days for the final touches. It would be nice to have at least a whole week instead of just a few days for all the final touches, actually. If I reduce the number of areas by one (a real possibility), that would grant me quite a bit more time for the final touches since it's the polish that would sell it, not the number of areas.
I've done schedules like this before for reading textbooks while back in university. I would figure out how many days I had to read a book, and how many pages I'd have to read, divide the latter by the former, and then I'd know how much I'd have to read each day. Once I figured out how much I had to read each day, it was easy for me to start out by reading more than twice as much in the early days and then it became a game to see how far I could get ahead. Though it didn't make much sense to race ahead when it comes to reading for university, especially if I didn't always remember what I read. Perhaps it was my OCD kicking in, but if I read far enough ahead, I would recalculate the daily quota to see how much I'd reduced it by, which would encourage me to read more. It'd be like, "all right, if I read 60 more pages tonight, then I can read two less pages a day for the final month of the semester!" - and then I would read about 90 pages that night. :P Again, maybe not the best tactic, because I was reading at the moment just to eliminate having to read later, and not necessarily learning at the right pace.
But if I can take that attitude and apply it to this, and make this a race against my own schedule for this project, I will certainly be motivated, and then maybe I'll be able to have eight areas with plenty of time for polish after all!
EDIT: Here's the schedule I made.
Note that it says I'm working on Area 2 this week. It's actually the third area, since this game has an "Area 0", my codename for the area since you can't revisit it - much like the openings of Super Metroid, Metroid Prime, and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.
Post by: JonLeung on February 08, 2009, 04:16:07 pm
Post by: marioman on February 08, 2009, 04:40:25 pm
Post by: JonLeung on February 08, 2009, 04:45:14 pm
I decided to cut out the Spazer in the last few minutes. And I changed the colours again.
And the "F" beam is a surprise!
Post by: marioman on March 04, 2009, 07:28:22 am
Perfect timing.
Post by: JonLeung on March 07, 2009, 12:55:18 pm
I think I must be coming off sounding like a real jerk, at the dozens of people who have asked to make a fan game based around Oracle Of Hours. I tell them they'd be better off making their own fan game around their own ideas, and I get the feeling some of them don't listen and still intend to rip everything off exactly as it is. Then they bug me on MSN asking if I want to test it. No thanks.
It's like they think that even though I spent months making something like this specifically to promote VGMaps.com, that I would happily hand it over to them on a silver platter 'cause they're too lazy to make their own game from scratch.
Thankfully, I'm sure most of them won't get anywhere near completion.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Oracle Of Hours has ignited a lot of interest, but after a while it really gets annoying when other people think they can get something more out of it than I intended.
Post by: marioman on March 07, 2009, 01:59:47 pm
I heard about that. Not going to use that though, that's from the perspective of the Space Pirates.
Yeah, I was thinking that you could simply add something about that to the description. (It's called Metroid Dread because there is a mode where you can play at the Space Pirates and you get to feel the dread of fighting Samus, or something of the like...)
JonLeung said:
I think I must be coming off sounding like a real jerk, at the dozens of people who have asked to make a fan game based around Oracle Of Hours. I tell them they'd be better off making their own fan game around their own ideas, and I get the feeling some of them don't listen and still intend to rip everything off exactly as it is. Then they bug me on MSN asking if I want to test it. No thanks. ... Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Oracle Of Hours has ignited a lot of interest, but after a while it really gets annoying when other people think they can get something more out of it than I intended.
Well, I guess popularity comes with a price... :P It would be nice to see someone competent turn it into a fan game, but skilled fan game designers who actually finish their games are hard to find.
Post by: Will on March 08, 2009, 02:23:07 pm
Post by: marioman on March 09, 2009, 07:58:37 am
Post by: JonLeung on March 12, 2009, 08:01:12 am
I've nearly finished tiling the second-last area, the texturing will begin right away, and then I have to go back and add some rooms to previous areas - you know, backtracking stuff. Then I have to create the whole final area, but that should go a LOT faster since I essentially don't have to plan out any item placement or tricky puzzles - it'll take like one or two days instead of one or two weeks.
I still have to do the adding of the backgrounds and a polish-and-tweak phase but those are considerbly more fun - or at least a welcome change of pace after all that I've been doing so far.
I'm nearly at the home stretch! :)
I regret not being as efficient with my time as I am now a lot earlier, then it wouldn't be so close...but I'm confident that I will make it, maybe moreso now that the end is in sight.
Some of the early comments in this topic are kind of funny, looking back on them...
I think this will be the last big one...by that I mean, one that I have to spend so much time on. I have a silly idea about one that could be a lot easier to do for next year...maybe I'll keep that idea to myself, if it's easy as I think it could be.
Post by: JonLeung on March 13, 2009, 03:51:19 pm
Which apparently wasn't my original idea despite coming up with it on my own...
Actually it was going to be Mother 3 on the Virtual Boy but that would require us having maps of Mother 3 first... >_<
Post by: Will on March 15, 2009, 12:36:16 pm
Anyway what will be for next year? Do you find my idea suitable or will it be something else?
Post by: marioman on March 18, 2009, 09:15:05 pm
Post by: JonLeung on March 20, 2009, 07:38:17 am
I'm still on track to finishing it though, but as always, I wish it wasn't down to the wire.
I have (had?) three social engagements this week, which I was having difficulty which I would choose to go to, but being sick, the choice has been made for me. It's like a sign that I need to stay home to get this done, and being fluish is a valid enough reason.
When it's done, I hope it doesn't disappoint. There will always be things I know I should've/could've done on my end, but of course I'm always going to be a harsh judge of myself. I'm fairly certain more people will still consider The Legend Of Zelda: Oracle Of Hours the best of all of them so far, but I hope Metroid Dread pulls in second at least.
Post by: JonLeung on March 24, 2009, 12:33:42 pm
If you could email a shot to me (or send it to my Wii if you unlocked the camera within the game), that would be great... I didn't have any luck with Google ImageSearch...
Post by: marioman on March 24, 2009, 12:49:59 pm
Post by: JonLeung on March 24, 2009, 04:55:26 pm
EDIT: Ahhh, here we go...thanks for suggesting IGN.
Post by: marioman on March 24, 2009, 06:04:01 pm
Post by: JonLeung on March 25, 2009, 09:24:27 pm
Actually, I placed something like 15 or 16 items today alone...silly Missile Tanks... >_>
I still have quite a bit left to do in these last few days, though...at least it won't require thinking about item placement.
Hey, since I don't think the room count will change anymore, guess how many rooms there are, total!
Post by: marioman on March 26, 2009, 01:20:35 pm
Post by: JonLeung on March 26, 2009, 02:17:56 pm
Post by: RT 55J on March 26, 2009, 03:02:25 pm
Oh, and by "rooms" do you mean "squares on the map" or "contiguous areas separated by doors"?
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"its a good day to do what has to be done by me and help my brother to defeat the enemys" - John Freeman
Post by: JonLeung on March 26, 2009, 03:27:57 pm
There's a strange room of indeterminate height that might remind people of a particular boss fight from Metroid Prime 3: Corruption...but I count that as one square for the purposes of this count.
And the number of these squares is less than 900.
Post by: marioman on March 26, 2009, 06:48:37 pm
Over 9000!!!!!!!
Fixed! :P
JonLeund said:
And the number of these squares is less than 900.
So... 500 < #rooms < 900
How about 700?
Post by: JonLeung on March 27, 2009, 02:16:55 pm
Whoops, I put two extra Missile Tanks in the second area. Good thing I spotted them...wouldn't want to have 102 items...
Man, I am so dreading this weekend. Which was not meant to be a pun when I was thinking it, but is pretty clearly one now that I wrote it out...
If I miss an update this weekend, we'll know why.
Post by: Will on March 28, 2009, 02:16:58 pm
Post by: JonLeung on March 30, 2009, 07:04:32 am
I will certainly have this done on time, but it will be down to the wire, and I think some of you will be very amused when I get around to explaining the whole process in detail, especially what I left for the final week, and moreso, what is done on the final two days. :P
Post by: JonLeung on March 31, 2009, 12:36:05 pm
In local time, I have less than eleven and a half hours left.
Post by: marioman on March 31, 2009, 04:48:06 pm
Post by: JonLeung on March 31, 2009, 11:13:23 pm
It'll be up in a few minutes.
Post by: RT 55J on March 31, 2009, 11:15:22 pm
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"its a good day to do what has to be done by me and help my brother to defeat the enemys" - John Freeman
Post by: JonLeung on March 31, 2009, 11:22:04 pm
(Also, Peardian submitted a joke for today, too. :P Check out the Super Mario RPG - Booster Hill map...)
I'll have to spread the word about Metroid Dread before going to bed though...any help you can offer would be appreciated. :P
Oh yeah, maybe when that April Fool's 2009 article about Internet jokes/pranks comes up on Wikipedia, someone should add it...
EDIT: That's odd, I can't seem to find where the yearly April Fools' Day listing is... :/
I suppose I should go to bed... :P
By the way, the answer to the question earlier is: 789 rooms, including elevator shafts. That's 38,780,928 pixels, or 151,488 tiles. (That's raw final size - I had to handle less due to empty space, but also more due to backgrounds and water/lava.) The number of rooms in the major areas comes out pretty close to each other by coincidence - two of them have exactly 153. But I can go into the more interesting details later.
Post by: marioman on April 01, 2009, 08:14:21 am
Post by: JonLeung on April 01, 2009, 08:15:10 am
(What did I do with last year's brainstorming topic? Did I eventually move it to the public area? Did I close it? I guess I'll look for it later.)
Thanks again to marioman for the idea of Metroid Dread. :)
EDIT: LOL, marioman just posted while I was writing that. Thanks, marioman...it certainly wasn't easy. I have some other people to thank, but it will all come later when I get my notes sorted out.
Post by: marioman on April 30, 2009, 03:49:37 pm
Post by: JonLeung on June 03, 2009, 07:31:05 am
I asked him a while back about the Super Metroid maps. That was maybe a year ago? (I probably mentioned it earlier in this very topic, when Metroid Dread was becoming the best option...) Then he said he agreed that he would get them for me (I don't remember if he ever said Edsword agreed or not).
Then I think he didn't say anything more for a little while, and didn't send anything, so I recall sending him in a friendly reminder. He responded, and I think this was also friendly, by pointing out that he's busy with family and kids and stuff like that. Then he sent me the high-res Norfair map in .PNG format.
Since then, I've heard nothing from him or Edsword, and I'm hesitant to remind him again.
I probably mentioned this earlier, but I wonder if Metroid Dread would've turned out differently if I had more immediate access to tiles from Super Metroid other than those in Norfair. The answer is probably yes, though I can't say if it would've appeared any better or worse, just different.