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General Boards => Map Requests => Topic started by: magicbay on June 22, 2008, 12:02:45 AM

Title: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on June 22, 2008, 12:02:45 AM
Can someone map out the Double Dungeons game that's on the Turbografx-16 system??



I already know about the maps on www.gamefaqs.com and am wanting to ask if someone can actually map this game and post the maps here on the website..





Thanks in advance.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: Grizzly on June 22, 2008, 12:32:28 AM
That game is 3-dimensional. So it can't be plain mapped. I think you have to recreate the map in an isometric fashion like DarkWolf did with Wolfenstein 3D. So one should know how the dungeons are saved in the game's ROM to be able to map it efficiently.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on June 22, 2008, 11:23:11 PM
so your saying that someone should map the game out and post the maps for others to use??
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: Grizzly on June 22, 2008, 11:53:24 PM
no, I don't demand that. I just said that there are some difficulties in mapping such a game that have to overcome by the person who decides to map the game.

I do not know if anybody wants to map it. I myself never played the game so I do not have much interest in mapping it at the moment.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on June 23, 2008, 11:14:59 AM
The game is very fun if your into dungeon type rpg games.



I'm surprised that nobody's bothered to map the entire game yet.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: Maxim on June 23, 2008, 12:24:43 PM
The confusion here is because this is a site for screenshot maps, and screenshot maps of fake-3D games are mostly impossible, there just isn't any overhead graphics you could use, the whole thing would have to be redrawn.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: DarkWolf on June 23, 2008, 02:18:16 PM
I thought about doing Shining in the Darkness, which I assume is similar to the game you want mapped.  The reason I could pull off Wolf 3d and Blake Stone is that there are very few special walls, the only problem with Blake was the switches (I didn't really care about the vending machines, since they are EVERYWHERE) and I represented these on the transparent walls with red lines.  However, these dungeon crawler games tend to use more wall textures than sprites for special things, and it gets hard to make an accurate map.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on June 23, 2008, 04:26:47 PM
it's ok.



i'd love to see what comes from your try at it but if ya can't map the game, then don't worry about it.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: Will on June 28, 2008, 10:57:12 PM
If you want to make a good start in mapping this game, it would be wise to have a bird's eye view map to start. I have made such maps for 3-dimensional games such as SNES "Eye of the Beholder", and I see no reason to turn into 3D, after all it shows everything you could possibly wish for: enemies, items, doors, panels, anything. Think about it magicbay, Blake Stone unlike Double Dungeons is an all direction, constant moving game, whilst Double Dungeons is a 4 direction, 1 step at a time moving game. Not of course that the game doesn't deserve to be mapped being lesser action packed that Blake Stone, but I would not be worth the trouble. Do take a look at my "Eye of the Beholder" maps if you want to get a good brainstorm.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: DarkWolf on June 29, 2008, 08:11:54 AM
Another thing I forget to mention is that Wolf 3d and Blake have many wide open rooms, where as a lot of dungeon crawlers have mainly "hallway" maps, and those would be a lot less exciting in 3d, and probably more confusing.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on July 02, 2008, 02:02:45 PM
cool.



I'd love to see what kind of maps that someone can come up with reguardless of what kind of rendering is done.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: vorpal86 on August 15, 2008, 03:11:28 AM
Why not just use the maps at gamefaqs.com? It seems like their all there, and there is really no reason to make more. In order to make your own maps for this game you'd have to play it, get you some grid paper and map like that.



I myself have played through and mapped all levels of Shining in the Darkness. I was gonna see about redoing them in electronic form and posting them here. This game could be mapped using screenshot maps considering there is already a map feature in the game and just by taking screenshots of displayed maps it could be done. I recently started mapping the map view of Swords and Serpents for NES.



I'm curious, since some games have built-in map features, is it really necessary to map them? I've also mapped out most of Eye of the Beholder, Dungeon Master, The Bards Tale (NES) and Wizardry 1 and 2. As you can tell, a while back I was really into these games. :) Some of my old pseudo 3d game buddies might have called me a fake 3d rpg connoisseur.



I've played DD and itseems like a pretty long game and to map it you'd have to, get grid paper, map each hallway and could take a while unless there is some sort of guide map in the game. I've only played till dungeon 2 though. It's more a fast pace dungeon game.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on February 20, 2009, 10:21:27 AM
the first 5 or 6 maps that were posted on gamefaqs.com are pretty good but the rest of them are kinda crappy.



I'd take up the challenge of making the maps but I don't have the resources to take the challenge and will be passing it up.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: DarkWolf on February 20, 2009, 01:42:57 PM
It is indeed necessary to map some games that have in-game maps.  Take Faery Tale Adventure for example.  There is an in-game map but it is of a fairly low resolution, only shows the general area around you, and you have to use an item to see it.  Much better to get the whole view.  Some of us also make maps because they have an aesthetic quality.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on February 20, 2009, 03:01:16 PM
I totally agree with ya DarkWolf.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: TerraEsperZ on February 20, 2009, 04:27:22 PM
In-game maps are almost always functional and that's it. I much prefer a screenshot maps or, in the case of 3D games, a map made from polygons and textures that really show the beauty of the game in action.



Unfortunately, it's not always possible to do that, especially with those old pseudo-3D games where you don't even have actual textures and polygons to work with.



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Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: DarkWolf on March 22, 2009, 04:42:13 PM
Ok, I just ripped all the monster sprites from Shining in the Darkness.  It's not really feasible to do a 3d map of the dungeons.  Plus with 1 or 2 wall textures in the game they'd be really boring.  Stay clear of the maps on GameFAQs for this game though, they are inaccurate.  The ones on RPG Classics are much better.
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on March 23, 2009, 09:18:36 AM
I don't see the maps on www.rpgclassics.com..



Can ya provide a link for the maps??



Sorry for being unavailable for the last several days. My internet's down and am having it worked on..
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on March 23, 2009, 09:18:40 AM
I don't see the maps on www.rpgclassics.com..



Can ya provide a link for the maps??



Sorry for being unavailable for the last several days. My internet's down and am having it worked on..
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on March 23, 2009, 09:18:50 AM
I don't see the maps on www.rpgclassics.com..



Can ya provide a link for the maps??



Sorry for being unavailable for the last several days. My internet's down and am having it worked on..
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on March 23, 2009, 01:26:55 PM
I finally got my internet back up and running, folks..



Boy am I glad to have it back up and running..



What did I miss??
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: DarkWolf on March 23, 2009, 03:22:50 PM
http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/genesis/sitd/maps.shtml
Title: RE: Double Dungeons maps for the Turbografx-16
Post by: magicbay on March 23, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
thanks, DarkWolf..