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Complete game lists per console?
Marscaleb:
Honestly, you can get a very comprehensive list from EmuParadise.
They took down all their roms but they still have everything listed.
The problem there is that the list is TOO comprehensive; they list duplicates that have any difference in the code, such as revisions and multiple regions. (The latter of which may be hard to distinguish between some titles that name the game differently in different regions.)
--- Quote from: JonLeung on September 23, 2020, 07:35:06 pm ---With the Genesis, it doesn't take very long to see that so-called "complete" games lists seem so different from each other.
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Seriously; I mean where do you draw the line?
Do you include Sega CD and 32X titles? They may have a different label as if they are different console, but strictly speaking they are still Genesis titles.
Should a collection like 6-Pak count?
And I get not wanting to count homebrew titles since most of them are tech demos, but then you have some that are legitimately full proper games, like Tangledeep and there was an RPG on the Sega CD some fans printed actual discs for. But if you can't count them, then you couldn't count Gauntlet on the NES or Tengen's other unlicensed titles.
...One thing I will say, if you produce any list or distinct number, you really need to include with that the EXACT terms you are defining the list by. Maybe something like "Title must have been sold on store shelves between year X and year Y without being taken down or recall for reasons other than poor sales."
Also, you might try asking your question on NesDev.com. I know people there have shared sites that list a lot of various details, so someone there might have something to help you.
JonLeung:
--- Quote from: Marscaleb on September 30, 2020, 10:35:48 pm ---But if you can't count them, then you couldn't count Gauntlet on the NES or Tengen's other unlicensed titles.
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Funny that you mention that, as there's a particular thing about Gauntlet, and two other Tengen games...
While Tengen (actually pronounced with a hard G, an interesting recently-learned fact for me) is known for its unlicensed black cart games, they were, very briefly, a licensed developer. So Gauntlet, as well as R.B.I. Baseball and Pac-Man, actually have normal grey officially licensed versions, in addition to black unlicensed versions. So if a collector is collecting games from a software perspective, would a black Gauntlet be a suitable replacement if they can't find a grey one, or if a collector is collecting games from a cartridge perspective, would they have to get both versions?
Pac-Man is a more interesting one. As already mentioned, Tengen has an unlicensed version and a licensed version. Namco, the original developer, released their own (obviously licensed) version later - 1993, in fact! I heard that the only difference in the actual ROM between Namco and the Tengen versions other than the opening credits text might just be a difference in the palette, but I don't know how true that is (easy enough to check later, I suppose), though I have heard that the graphics (otherwise), sound and gameplay are for sure identical. So Pac-Man has three versions: two licensed, two Tengen, and one that is both. From a software collector, maybe one is enough, but a cartridge collector would need all three (unless they only collect official releases, but then they still need two).
This is the sort of detail that is interesting if you know it, but can throw off numbers if you are counting and aren't aware of this sort of thing. So while I prefer a simple listing, I would like little asterisks and footnotes for stuff like this, where it's like... "FYI, you should consider this..." i know, I'm hard to please. I want it simple but I want only the extra detail that I care about? Sigh...
Another thing I hate is figuring out naming conventions for games that have a person's name at the front of the title. It throws things off when I compare what I have to a list where they alphabetize it differently because of whether or not the name gets included.
My rule-of-thumb is to keep the name if it references a character or player (common in sports games), but to ignore the name if it is the creator. I know, sounds backwards, right? Sort of like not crediting the creator but giving props to the guy who was just paid to have his name slapped on? But hear me out. "Hudson's Adventure Island" or "Disney's The Jungle Book" are listed under A and J (for "Adventure Island" and "Jungle Book"), not H and D. But "Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball"? That's got to be B. Seems natural...
This "rule" isn't without its problems. I do have to look up the name to see if it is a sponsored athlete or the creator. For example, "David Crane's Amazing Tennis". Well, he's not a professional sports player, he's a game creator; you might recognize him from "David Crane's A Boy And His Blob: Trouble On Blobolonia". I dropped the "David Crane's" in both cases. But then "Bram Stoker's Dracula" I'm still not sure what to do with, as the various games on multiple consoles are based on the movie which very heavily promoted the "Bram Stoker's" part of it. If I dropped the creator's name like the others, would it just be "Dracula"? Same could be said with "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein". And then for consistency's sake, what about when the name of the sports player (which I would normally include) actually messes up the continuity with the other games? Like the "Bases Loaded" series... you have "Ryne Sandberg Plays Bases Loaded 3" and "Ryne Sandberg Plays Super Bases Loaded". Or on the Genesis you have "Super Monaco GP" followed by "Ayrton Senna's Super Monaco GP II". Grrrr...
Here are two more simple ones... which do you prefer...
"2020 Super Baseball" or "Super Baseball 2020"?
"Super Noah's Ark 3D" or "Super 3D Noah's Ark"?
Marscaleb:
--- Quote from: JonLeung on October 01, 2020, 05:11:41 pm ---Here are two more simple ones... which do you prefer...
"2020 Super Baseball" or "Super Baseball 2020"?
"Super Noah's Ark 3D" or "Super 3D Noah's Ark"?
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"Super Baseball 2020" and "Super Noah's Ark 3D."
When I look at the title's with "Disney's" in the title I would assume that the title "Disney" was just added on the cover as part of marketing, but if you look at most title screens they don't include the "Disney's" element. Like how on the SNES there is a game called "Tuff E Nuff" not "Hey Punk! Are You Tuff E Nuff" It's not a title, it's part of marketing.
A proper list might do the card-catalog technique and just have an entry like "Disney's Ducktales; see Ducktales"
And I'm not sure how relevant many of these are for older consoles, but I know many more recent ones have an internal title used by the console manufacturer; I know that consoles like the GBA, PS2, and Xbox all have specific numbers/codes assigned to each title, and they would likewise have specific titles assigned to them. This data is also represented in game data. I don't know if those apply to the NES or Genesis though...
TerraEsperZ:
--- Quote from: JonLeung on October 01, 2020, 05:11:41 pm ---Another thing I hate is figuring out naming conventions for games that have a person's name at the front of the title. It throws things off when I compare what I have to a list where they alphabetize it differently because of whether or not the name gets included.
My rule-of-thumb is to keep the name if it references a character or player (common in sports games), but to ignore the name if it is the creator. I know, sounds backwards, right? Sort of like not crediting the creator but giving props to the guy who was just paid to have his name slapped on? But hear me out. "Hudson's Adventure Island" or "Disney's The Jungle Book" are listed under A and J (for "Adventure Island" and "Jungle Book"), not H and D. But "Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball"? That's got to be B. Seems natural...
This "rule" isn't without its problems. I do have to look up the name to see if it is a sponsored athlete or the creator. For example, "David Crane's Amazing Tennis". Well, he's not a professional sports player, he's a game creator; you might recognize him from "David Crane's A Boy And His Blob: Trouble On Blobolonia". I dropped the "David Crane's" in both cases. But then "Bram Stoker's Dracula" I'm still not sure what to do with, as the various games on multiple consoles are based on the movie which very heavily promoted the "Bram Stoker's" part of it. If I dropped the creator's name like the others, would it just be "Dracula"? Same could be said with "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein". And then for consistency's sake, what about when the name of the sports player (which I would normally include) actually messes up the continuity with the other games? Like the "Bases Loaded" series... you have "Ryne Sandberg Plays Bases Loaded 3" and "Ryne Sandberg Plays Super Bases Loaded". Or on the Genesis you have "Super Monaco GP" followed by "Ayrton Senna's Super Monaco GP II". Grrrr...
Here are two more simple ones... which do you prefer...
"2020 Super Baseball" or "Super Baseball 2020"?
"Super Noah's Ark 3D" or "Super 3D Noah's Ark"?
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Sounds like the kind of headaches I get whenever I resume naming/tagging my very large MP3 collection. My brain usually prevents me from resorting to easy solutions.
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